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#1 2018-02-28 11:32:13

cjaama
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Advice needed building something

Iím looking to build something and soliciting advice. 
I want to create something to meet two needs: a hitch mounted cargo carrier and a wagon, particularly for beach use.
Basically a combination of these two products:

https://i5.walmartimages.com/asr/28fecd97-d58d-4bac-a200-fd6478e82bf4_1.65acf1e859b18a6a26afd15f763b787e.jpeg?odnWidth=undefined&odnHeight=undefined&odnBg=ffffff

https://images.homedepot-static.com/productImages/7aa779a4-540e-48b8-abfa-c884ef3962fe/svn/gorilla-carts-yard-carts-gor1001-com-64_1000.jpg

Unfortunately, Iím not a welder and there are a ton of products, hardware, etc. that Iím not aware of or experienced with. Iíve gone through some solutions, but I need insight.

Requirements include:
20-24Ē x 48-60Ē
<100lbs (the lighter the better)
2Ē hitch mount
Hitch receiver must be folding or removable so itís not in the way while using it as a wagon
Tires/wheels that will work in sand
Wheels that are easily removable or fold up would be great
Removable walls would be ideal for use as a wagon
Mesh decking
Total cost <$250

First idea is to just buy the wagon and have someone weld a hitch mount. Seems like the simplest solution. The only issue I can think of is that the tires will sit too low off the back of the vehicle, reducing the departure angle. It will be also affect the vehicles aero. Iím not so concerned about either of these with my Jeep, but I will be with my wifeís CRV.

My next idea is to buy the cargo rack and attach something like this to it:
https://www.northerntool.com/images/product/700x700/143/143309_700x700.jpg

https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools … 456_427456


The problem with this route remains the wheels hanging too low off the rear of the vehicle.

Issues Iíve encountered:
Pneumatic wheels are expensive, particularly caster wheels
Plastic beach cart style wheels are also overpriced and arenít ideal for surfaces other than sand
Coming up with a way for the wheels to be easily removable or fold up somehow
Iíve yet to find an aluminum carrier that has a folding hitch mount

Iím open to any and all advice.


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#2 2018-02-28 12:11:09

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Re: Advice needed building something

Get removable wheels (like a cotter in through the axle when in use) and store them securely in the cargo box when traveling. Only the axles will be low points, not the entire tire/wheel assembly.


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#3 2018-02-28 12:32:05

cjaama
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Re: Advice needed building something

krazykarguy wrote:

Get removable wheels (like a cotter in through the axle when in use) and store them securely in the cargo box when traveling. Only the axles will be low points, not the entire tire/wheel assembly.

My biggest concern is that wheels on their own are way overpriced. I'm currently looking for people selling their used, shot beach buggies to grab the wheels off of.
Thanks for the suggestion. I'll continue to consider it.
The good news is I have until the summer until it's absolutely needed.
EDIT: I just realized I could do this with the above mentioned wagon kit. Duh! Great idea! That should improve clearance by about 5" and result in much less drag.  I still need to get some measurements of what the clearance needed might be.

Last edited by cjaama (2018-02-28 12:42:48)


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#4 2018-02-28 13:50:55

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Re: Advice needed building something

woah...what an awesome idea....i could totally use this myself...backporch/beach cart.... keep us posted


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#5 2018-02-28 17:29:59

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Re: Advice needed building something

Question

Why not buy a wagon and a hitch carrier and strap the wagon to the carrier?

It's extra parts, but if you had ramps to the carrier, it will save you from picking up a possibly heavy wagon.  If you haven't owned a hitch carrier yet, they also appear to double as concrete scrapers when you are entering or leaving steep driveways, or any other non-level road surface.


If you want to combine them, I'd probably buy a wagon as a complete unit, and then shop harbor freights absurd collection of extenders, dual hitch extenders, and hitch steps to create a system that has a socket under the wagon, and an extension that plugs into the car, provides enough height offset to get the wagon off the ground, and enough length to get it off the bumper.

https://www.harborfreight.com/12-in-hit … 69882.html
https://www.harborfreight.com/Dual-Hitc … 69881.html
https://www.harborfreight.com/hitch-ext … 97685.html

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#6 2018-03-01 09:44:57

cjaama
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Re: Advice needed building something

bentmettle wrote:

Question

Why not buy a wagon and a hitch carrier and strap the wagon to the carrier?
Honestly I already have a wagon and a beach buggy. If I strap either to the cargo carrier, it would take up space which I'm hoping to avoid by combining the two... and it wouldn't be as cool.

It's extra parts, but if you had ramps to the carrier, it will save you from picking up a possibly heavy wagon.  If you haven't owned a hitch carrier yet, they also appear to double as concrete scrapers when you are entering or leaving steep driveways, or any other non-level road surface.
I haven't had one. I'm hoping to avoid this as much as possible.


If you want to combine them, I'd probably buy a wagon as a complete unit, and then shop harbor freights absurd collection of extenders, dual hitch extenders, and hitch steps to create a system that has a socket under the wagon, and an extension that plugs into the car, provides enough height offset to get the wagon off the ground, and enough length to get it off the bumper.
I had mostly planned to use an extender as linked and would be looking for one that would raise the carrier higher off the ground.

https://www.harborfreight.com/12-in-hit … 69882.html
https://www.harborfreight.com/Dual-Hitc … 69881.html
https://www.harborfreight.com/hitch-ext … 97685.html


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#7 2018-03-01 10:12:29

cjaama
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Re: Advice needed building something

So, I came across this sucker, which is almost exactly what Iím looking for.
https://www.etrailer.com/Hitch-Cargo-Ca … TG002.html
http://vikingsl.com/portfolio/tng-hunt/

https://www.etrailer.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/pics/3/1/310-vtg401_21.jpg


The issues I have with it are:
-It does not have any kind of decking, which I would need to haul anything smaller than a cooler. Iíd prefer some kind of metal mesh which I would have to pay someone to weld inÖ wouldnít I? Could I just use sheet metal screws and large washers? Any other ideas for decking that I could DIY?
-Two big wheels would be great on the beach, but Iíd rather have four wheels to haul my kids around in.
-Removing the two large wheels and corresponding axle leaves a very large part to now also transport. Maybe this could be strapped to the back of the carrier in transport? I think this is a pretty big design flaw.
-The handlebar is square, not round. Less than ideal for comfortable pulling. Iíd at the very least add some padding.
-The handlebar extends beyond the side of even the large vehicles pictured. Maybe it wouldnít be an issue if it doesnít extend beyond the side mirror. I donít know.

The manufacturer has pigeonholed themselves by marketing this almost entirely to deer hunters on their website when itís a seemingly great product with so many other uses. Iím not a PETA loon, but the videos/pictures of them hauling deer carcasses on their website is pretty gross. I canít imagine a soccer mom being interested in this product having to watch those videos.

Man, I need to learn how to weld!


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#8 2018-03-01 10:55:04

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Re: Advice needed building something

cjaama wrote:

The issues I have with it are:
-It does not have any kind of decking, which I would need to haul anything smaller than a cooler. Iíd prefer some kind of metal mesh which I would have to pay someone to weld inÖ wouldnít I? Could I just use sheet metal screws and large washers? Any other ideas for decking that I could DIY?

The decking wouldn't be supporting the load itself, so just needs to be solid or have mesh smaller than what you're carrying and be secured from sliding around.  Thin plywood with carriage bolts and fender washers?  Metal or plastic mesh and zip ties?  I think either of those would be more than adequate.


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#9 2018-03-01 11:23:48

cjaama
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Re: Advice needed building something

lizzardo wrote:

cjaama wrote:

The issues I have with it are:
-It does not have any kind of decking, which I would need to haul anything smaller than a cooler. Iíd prefer some kind of metal mesh which I would have to pay someone to weld inÖ wouldnít I? Could I just use sheet metal screws and large washers? Any other ideas for decking that I could DIY?

The decking wouldn't be supporting the load itself, so just needs to be solid or have mesh smaller than what you're carrying and be secured from sliding around.  Thin plywood with carriage bolts and fender washers?  Metal or plastic mesh and zip ties?  I think either of those would be more than adequate.

I agree, but it would have to be at least rigid enough to support for instance my daughter's weight when she puts her ass between two posts.
I also kind of want it to be able to shed water, dirt, sand and debris fairly easily. I do have a couple of pieces of wooden peg board in the garage that were never used, but I think I'd want to stick with something metal and not look totally cobbed.

I appreciate the responses and suggestions so far!


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#10 2018-03-01 15:48:38

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Re: Advice needed building something

cjaama wrote:

I agree, but it would have to be at least rigid enough to support for instance my daughter's weight when she puts her ass between two posts.
I also kind of want it to be able to shed water, dirt, sand and debris fairly easily. I do have a couple of pieces of wooden peg board in the garage that were never used, but I think I'd want to stick with something metal and not look totally cobbed.

I was thinking marine plywood, maybe 3/8".  Paint it a festive color and you're set.  Don't be tempted by the siren song of pegboard you already have.  It will soften in moisture and sag, and would not support a kids weight.  I just replaced a shelf under a workbench that was done with leftover pegboard and can assure you it's just the wrong material for that.

Metal mesh would be uncomfortable to sit on and would bend under a kid's but anyway.

I was remembering various folding carts we'd use at the race track for tires, gas cans, etc.  They'd have the advantage of foldability so you might not need the hitch mount.  These were one of the more popular ones, but they're two-wheeled.

http://www.tipkemfg.com/foldit/

There's also this sort of ting:

https://www.target.com/p/collapsible-wa … A-50112956

Haven't used one of those, so can't speak to their robustness.


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