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#51 2017-10-09 17:01:58

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Re: 2018 Nissan Leaf - the ugliness lives on

Pyromancy5 wrote:

ikbrown wrote:

That red pinstriped FoST in 'how not to FoST' would approve. There's certainly ... a LOT going on with that design.

Assuming the computer changes actually make for some real improvements that could make it fun! Still not very competitive with the Model 3 and Bolt though with the limited range. They need to bump it up some more!

They're saying all new battery in 2019.  Hopefully this includes liquid cooling or at the least, 40kWh.

Oooooohhhhh? curious. Yea it better get bumped up in range AND liquid cooling. I could look past the design IF it were competitive with other features, but as is it's just behind the market for gen 2 EVs.


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#52 2017-10-10 11:23:06

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Re: 2018 Nissan Leaf - the ugliness lives on

ikbrown wrote:

Pyromancy5 wrote:

ikbrown wrote:

That red pinstriped FoST in 'how not to FoST' would approve. There's certainly ... a LOT going on with that design.

Assuming the computer changes actually make for some real improvements that could make it fun! Still not very competitive with the Model 3 and Bolt though with the limited range. They need to bump it up some more!

They're saying all new battery in 2019.  Hopefully this includes liquid cooling or at the least, 40kWh.

Oooooohhhhh? curious. Yea it better get bumped up in range AND liquid cooling. I could look past the design IF it were competitive with other features, but as is it's just behind the market for gen 2 EVs.

Derp, this model already has 40kWh,  so I'm hoping for more.

I can't find the article, but there was an argument for why Nissan did not need liquid cooling.  The impedance of the Tesla batteries is 3x times that of the Nissan, so it generates much more heat, requiring liquid cooling to avoid catching fire.  While not needed to maintain a typical operating range, when quick charging in high heat, or parked on a regular basis in high heat areas (the entire southern US) battery degradation is accelerated. Some data suggests that Tesla batteries will lose 8-10% capacity at 200k miles.  Meanwhile, most LEAFs lose that by 25k miles.

Some claim that Tesla builds in more battery capacity than is stated, and use software to make it seem like their batteries last longer and offset the appearance of degradation.  This rumor was fueled when Tesla offered an "upgrade" to 60kWh owners allowing them access to all 75kWh of the battery that their cars already possessed, but were not permitted to access, unless they coughed up $3000.  shifty

All that being said, I think Tesla is leading the battery industry, and this year alone they have discovered new ways of monitoring battery degradation on quicker time lines to experiment with new chemestry.  One year into a 5 year project, this researcher doubled the longevity of Li-ion batteries.

https://electrek.co/2017/05/09/tesla-ba … me-double/


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#53 2017-10-10 11:58:09

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Re: 2018 Nissan Leaf - the ugliness lives on

arrow-up Yea, the Leaf needs to get to a 60kwh battery to be competitive in my opinion. And liquid cooling would be necessary for me in hot Sacramento summers when it's above 100 (and the occasional 109, thanks global warming!)


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#54 2017-10-10 12:41:10

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Re: 2018 Nissan Leaf - the ugliness lives on

That Leaf is actually pretty hot, minus that fucking grille.


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#55 2017-10-11 10:18:19

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Re: 2018 Nissan Leaf - the ugliness lives on

Pyromancy5 wrote:

Some data suggests that Tesla batteries will lose 8-10% capacity at 200k miles.  Meanwhile, most LEAFs lose that by 25k miles.

Some claim that Tesla builds in more battery capacity than is stated, and use software to make it seem like their batteries last longer and offset the appearance of degradation.

My model S is 2-1/2 years old and is just about to hit 50k miles. I am seeing almost not range loss, maybe 1%-2%. Outside temperature has a much larger effect on range than any battery degradation that I am seeing.

In regard to battery capacity, Tesla has been overstating the KWh on its 75, 85 and 90 series. These batteries full capacity when new is 2-4 KWh below Tesla's claim. Then on top of that there are 2-3 KWh of anti-bricking reserve that the software never uses for range driving. So my 85 Kwh battery is really an 82 KWh battery that only has 80 KWh for driving.

The 100 KWh battery pack is finally improving this slightly deceptive marketing and actually has a full capacity of 102 KWh and a usable capacity of 98.4 KWh.

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#56 2017-10-11 11:19:20

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Re: 2018 Nissan Leaf - the ugliness lives on

arrow-up  Good to know.  I've been treating my leaf as a "starter" electric car with the intention of moving on to something like a used Tesla or something with more space/ range in a few years when we're ready for kid #2.  If Volvo keeps their word and goes electric, it would be hard to pass up a V90e should such a beast ever exist.


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#57 2017-10-19 15:55:47

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Re: 2018 Nissan Leaf - the ugliness lives on

So a lot of people say that because Chevy states the Spark EV has 400ftlb of torque, it's motor is superior to the Leaf.  They also don't allow access to all that power, so I think it's a BS number to attract attention.

If on were able to tap into the power of a leaf motor, say swap it into another car and design your own controller, you would have a 300+ HP car.  Pretty cool little swap this guy did.  I haven't watched his whole project, but I hope his IE skillz are better than his video editing.  They kinda boring.


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#58 2017-10-25 16:46:26

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Re: 2018 Nissan Leaf - the ugliness lives on

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/niss … -leaf-suv/

https://cnet2.cbsistatic.com/img/vUCxMrbh9O0a5LxTLyOw2G8iHN0=/2017/10/24/35da4e37-21bf-46d5-8039-333d8e57da7f/nissan-imx-concept-tokyo-motor-show-9.jpg
The IMx's interior features a wraparound panoramic OLED instrument panel
Switches and knobs are notable by their absence, with most functions being carried out by hand gestures and eye movements, as well as spoken commands.
An already sleek cabin becomes even more minimalist when ProPilot mode is selected. The yoke-style steering wheel and pedals fold out of the way, and the seats automatically recline to encourage relaxation and conversation.

Is anyone really asking for any of these advancements?

Yea sure I don't need knobs and buttons for controls, hand gestures and eye movements should work juuuuuuuuuuuuuuuust fine without any frustrations.  lol

I mean, it is just a concept using a grab-bag of buzz words to get attention at the Tokyo auto show at this point but still.

Last edited by ikbrown (2017-10-25 16:48:00)


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#59 2017-10-25 21:59:38

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Re: 2018 Nissan Leaf - the ugliness lives on

Just heard some press on how automakers need to switch back to BUTTONS to avoid screen distraction while driving and to provide tactile response to using the functions of the car which allow the drivers attention to remain on the road.  This just looks like more shit to brake.

I'm really trying to figure out if it's so fucking fugly that I want to set it on fire, or if it's gonna grow on me and it's just different.


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#60 2017-10-26 00:30:49

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Re: 2018 Nissan Leaf - the ugliness lives on

There is definitely something about buttons, switches, touch screens, and all that crap.  I find my current system distracting.  There's too much going on.  There are some things I can do from the steering wheel buttons, but some of those require I look at the center screen, and there are some things I can't do without interacting with the touchscreen.  I think it's a pervasive problem.  "I'm driving, but I can't *just* be driving.  I need to stay connected with too much other shit."


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#61 2017-10-26 10:14:43

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Re: 2018 Nissan Leaf - the ugliness lives on

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#62 2017-10-26 12:04:25

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Re: 2018 Nissan Leaf - the ugliness lives on

racerjim wrote:

paging Alexa...

I'm sorry, I do not recognize that command.


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