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limequat wrote:
<=Works at a Takata competitor
iamchris wrote:
You guys don't see this as overly fearful at all? Sure, there's a problem, and sure, it's serious.
Statistically, what are the odds that it will happen to you, given that you get in an accident?
Statistically, what are the odds that it will happen to you at all?
If you have other options, you can be cautious, but personally, if I had to drive the 9-2x, I'd keep the airbags engaged. The chances of serious injury due to a lack of airbag deployment are greater than the chance of serious injury due to shrapnel, if I'm allowed to talk out of my ass.
Calm your tits.
You're probably not going to crash, and even if you do, you're probably going to be fine.With all due respect, you are talking out of your ass
They're called SRS for a reason: Supplemental Restraint System. Meaning, if you're wearing your seat belt they are -in theory- not necessary. For the vast majority that do wear their seat belts, any risk created from the airbag is not worth it.
What we know about the Takata bags is that they degrade over time. So the longer we wait, the more likely it is to happen. What are the percentages? I doubt even Takata has a good handle on that. What percentage chance are you willing to take that a bomb will go off in your face or in the face of whoever is sitting next to you? GM has decided that it's too dangerous and is taking the expense to overnight letters to 92x owners.
My 92x is getting parked.
i say we listen to the competitor!
just turned off the air bag in my e30
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Well, then, I'll wait for my letter. How long should I wait for it to not show up before I can drive again?
I love how this is limited to coastal regions...not like the Midwest ever gets ridiculously humid.
Last edited by Bryan (2014-10-22 17:46:34)
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Ha, wait just as long as we've waited for the replacement Saab badges.
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I'd imagine that the 2006s aren't included yet because they have a seat sensor. No person in the passenger seat disables the airbag.
GM's CYA notice about "OMGZZZ NOBODY RIDE IN THE PASSENGER SEAT!!" only applies to 2005s.
BOTH of my vehicles are listed on the site as being affected by the recall. So lame.
BMW: 627,615 total number of potentially affected vehicles
2000 – 2005 3 Series Sedan
2000 – 2006 3 Series Coupe
2000 – 2005 3 Series Sports Wagon
2000 – 2006 3 Series Convertible
2001 – 2006 M3 Coupe
2001 – 2006 M3 Convertible
Chrysler: 371,309 total number of potentially affected vehicles
2003 – 2008 Dodge Ram 1500
2005 – 2008 Dodge Ram 2500
2006 – 2008 Dodge Ram 3500
2006 – 2008 Dodge Ram 4500
2008 – Dodge Ram 5500
2005 – 2008 Dodge Durango
2005 – 2008 Dodge Dakota
2005 – 2008 Chrysler 300
2007 – 2008 Chrysler Aspen
Ford: 58,669 total number of potentially affected vehicles
2004 – Ranger
2005 – 2006 GT
2005 – 2007 Mustang
General Motors: undetermined total number of potentially affected vehicles
2003 – 2005 Pontiac Vibe
2005 – Saab 9-2X
Honda: 5,051,364 total number of potentially affected vehicles
2001 – 2007 Honda Accord)
2001 – 2002 Honda Accord
2001 – 2005 Honda Civic
2002 – 2006 Honda CR-V
2003 – 2011 Honda Element
2002 – 2004 Honda Odyssey
2003 – 2007 Honda Pilot
2006 – Honda Ridgeline
2003 – 2006 Acura MDX
2002 – 2003 Acura TL/CL
2005 – Acura RL
Nissan: 694,626 total number of potentially affected vehicles
2001 – 2003 Nissan Maxima
2001 – 2003 Nissan Pathfinder
2002 – 2003 Nissan Sentra
2001 – 2003 Infiniti I30/I35
2002 – 2003 Infiniti QX4
2003 – Infiniti FX
Mazda: 64,872 total number of potentially affected vehicles
2003 – 2007 Mazda6
2006 – 2007 MazdaSpeed6
2004 – 2008 Mazda RX-8
2004 – 2005 MPV
2004 – B-Series Truck
Mitsubishi: 11,985 total number of potentially affected vehicles
2004 – 2005 Lancer
2006 – 2007 Raider
Nissan: 694,626 total number of potentially affected vehicles
2001 – 2003 Nissan Maxima
2001 – 2004 Nissan Pathfinder
2002 – 2004 Nissan Sentra
2001 – 2004 Infiniti I30/I35
2002 – 2003 Infiniti QX4
2003 – 2005 Infiniti FX35/FX45
Subaru: 17,516 total number of potentially affected vehicles
2003 – 2005 Baja
2003 – 2005 Legacy
2003 – 2005 Outback
2004 – 2005 Impreza
Toyota: 877,000 total number of potentially affected vehicles
2002 – 2005 Lexus SC
2002 – 2005 Toyota Corolla
2003 – 2005 Toyota Corolla Matrix
2002 – 2005 Toyota Sequoia
2003 – 2005 Toyota Tundra
Last edited by krazykarguy (2014-10-22 18:21:51)
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sure seems like it would be good to disable the airbags somehow in the meantime.....
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So... my wife is saying that she foudn somewhere that the recall is not geographically limited anymore and that they're expanding the count. Anyone seeing that? Also, how the heck are we going to find a GM dealership that gives a shit about performing a recall for their red headed step-children?
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I never got around to doing the control arm recall, but I did investigate it, and there was a site to locate GM dealers that worked on Saabs. In Denver, it was (is?) Elway Chevrolet
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ikbrown wrote:
So... my wife is saying that she foudn somewhere that the recall is not geographically limited anymore and that they're expanding the count. Anyone seeing that? Also, how the heck are we going to find a GM dealership that gives a shit about performing a recall for their red headed step-children?
racerjim wrote:
I never got around to doing the control arm recall, but I did investigate it, and there was a site to locate GM dealers that worked on Saabs. In Denver, it was (is?) Elway Chevrolet
See post #49 in this thread. But yes, in Denver it still shows as Elway Chevy on Colorado. I haven't done the control arm recall, nor do I plan to- my car was purchased in Michigan in May and was in Denver by October that year. But the airbag recall I will once details are known.
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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/drivers-get … ag-recall/
CBS News has discovered complaints of airbags exploding in multiple states outside the recall zone, including Indiana, Ohio, Illinois, and Maryland.
Shit just got real
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Just curious, and wondering how insurance companies will respond in the event that:
1) an insured owner has a vehicle on the airbag recall list
2) is directed by the car company to disable the airbags until the recall work can be performed
3) owner dutifully disables airbags as instructed
4) owner is involved in an accident during the interregnum between disabling the airbags and the recall work being performed
???? Anyone in the insurance industry that can chime in????
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daveyrockit wrote:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/drivers-get … ag-recall/
CBS News has discovered complaints of airbags exploding in multiple states outside the recall zone, including Indiana, Ohio, Illinois, and Maryland.
Shit just got real
CA is highlighted on the map in the video accompanying this article....
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limequat wrote:
<=Works at a Takata competitor
They're called SRS for a reason: Supplemental Restraint System. Meaning, if you're wearing your seat belt they are -in theory- not necessary. For the vast majority that do wear their seat belts, any risk created from the airbag is not worth it.
Orly? Why then don't they disable your airbag if your seat belt is on? If for the vast majority of cases the airbag is creating more risk (when your seatbelt is on) this would be a much safer solution, right? Well, clearly, it is not.
Airbags are extremely dangerous if you don't have your seat belt on. Any collision is extremely dangerous without your seat belt on, though, so it's kind of a moot point. Airbags in conjunction with seatbelts are very effective. They are designed and tested to work in conjunction with - not in lieu of - seat belts.
My personal anecdotal evidence supports this. Both my good friend and I walked away with no injuries other than minor bruising from a head on collision with a tree at ~40mph. We had our seat belts on, and the airbags deployed. Without the airbags, we likely both would have experienced at best extreme whiplash and at worst possible neck/back injury and paralysis.
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dotmaster206 wrote:
limequat wrote:
<=Works at a Takata competitor
They're called SRS for a reason: Supplemental Restraint System. Meaning, if you're wearing your seat belt they are -in theory- not necessary. For the vast majority that do wear their seat belts, any risk created from the airbag is not worth it.Airbags are extremely dangerous if you don't have your seat belt on. Any collision is extremely dangerous without your seat belt on, though, so it's kind of a moot point. Airbags in conjunction with seatbelts are very effective. They are designed and tested to work in conjunction with - not in lieu of - seat belts.
That's actually not entirely true. FMVSS rules originally stated that the airbag must be powerful enough to stop an unbelted male. Thus, airbags were technically more powerful than they would need to be to cushion a belted driver, causing issues for those of smaller stature that typically sit much closer to the steering wheel. As it turns out, the rules have been relaxed (apparently) since I was in the auto industry, but certainly the technology has evolved to multi-stage airbags and unique deployment shapes to alleviate that.
Some interesting info here, even if the website is reminiscent of geocities: http://www.hork.com/Gallery/advancedairbags.php
Last edited by n_r_child (2014-10-22 20:16:38)
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Not that I know anything when it comes to car safety, but from seeing several crash tests it appears airbags prevent you from smacking your head off of pillars, steering wheels etc. I can definitely see how a proper functioning airbag will lessen the likelihood of injury in the event of a car accident.
Somebody correct me if I am wrong otherwise I will rip out all my airbags for time attack
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I completely agree with the spirit of Chris's comment.
Having said that, the concern I have in this case is that I don't know what to check on my airbags or how to check them. I don't know what to look for. With the control arm recall, I knew what the issue was, and basically what to look for. I don't even know where to start with this one. I wish I could pop something open and take a look at the part of concern.
To be perfectly honest, the thought of being in a relatively minor accident and looking over to see my passenger all torn up makes me feel sick.
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kornfeld wrote:
I completely agree with the spirit of Chris's comment.
Having said that, the concern I have in this case is that I don't know what to check on my airbags or how to check them. I don't know what to look for. With the control arm recall, I knew what the issue was, and basically what to look for. I don't even know where to start with this one. I wish I could pop something open and take a look at the part of concern.
To be perfectly honest, the thought of being in a relatively minor accident and looking over to see my passenger all torn up makes me feel sick.
That's one of the reasons why this is so scary. There's no way to know until you're picking bits of metal out of your eyelids.
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So from what I'm seeing on the GM Recall site my car does not have a recall for this..... cool.
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I never checked my VIN in the GM recall database back when the control arm thing was going on because I was replacing them anyway...I'm still listed for that, but not for the airbags.
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Yeah I just have the control arm one which I never did cause they are still fine.
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Currently, our website does not have recall information for your 2005 Saab 9-2X
Results last updated: Oct 23, 2014
Note I called my local service center as the GM recall VIN lookup wasn't providing a search for me, turns out it wasn't in Firefox, but did in IE. However, my dealer said it could take some weeks for the info to come through, so those of us on top of this (since the Feds. changed the info just recently) might want to check again later...
It would be great to hear from anyone who does show up as recalled for the airbags.
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Very concerning stuff, my wife's Honda odyssey is also affected, we don't have a safe vehicle in our household. This type of shit is serious.
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I just contacted my local dealership that "handled" the control arm recall for my 92x. So far, they haven't heard anything about it so I asked if they knew if passenger AND driver side were affected/etc, still nothing. They basically said, "wait till you get a letter and bring your car in." I'm often driving my soon to be fiance in the car with me... like Kornfeld said, it makes me feel sick thinking about what could happen. I think I'll be pulling my SRS airbag fuse for now, from most of what I read, that will disable them. If this is wrong, PLEASE correct me!
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So are we talking Saab dealers? I haven't had my car at a dealership since 2005 so....
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hammyt wrote:
So are we talking Saab dealers? I haven't had my car at a dealership since 2005 so....
Welllll yes and no. http://www.fredbeanscadillac.com/ this is the link of a dealership near me that used to be a Saab dealership, and still kind of is. When you go to the fredbeans website, you can click the Saab link and it will take you to this Caddy dealership. Also because I grew up in the area, I know they service Saabs, so that's the only way I know about this particular one.
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srizzo wrote:
hammyt wrote:
So are we talking Saab dealers? I haven't had my car at a dealership since 2005 so....
Welllll yes and no. http://www.fredbeanscadillac.com/ this is the link of a dealership near me that used to be a Saab dealership, and still kind of is. When you go to the fredbeans website, you can click the Saab link and it will take you to this Caddy dealership. Also because I grew up in the area, I know they service Saabs, so that's the only way I know about this particular one.
Got my motor replaced at Fred Beans Saab, watched them carry the crate across the street. We must live a minute from each other. Ever see me?
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