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#1 2006-02-24 11:58:43

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Saabaru B Pillars vs. the jaws of life

I saw this originally here:
http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=946826
but that guy got it from www.legacygt.com

just thought it is something we should be aware and proud of.

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#2 2006-02-24 12:05:03

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Re: Saabaru B Pillars vs. the jaws of life

Nice find...

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#3 2006-02-24 12:14:49

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Re: Saabaru B Pillars vs. the jaws of life

wow... that's awesome


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#4 2006-02-24 12:16:15

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Re: Saabaru B Pillars vs. the jaws of life

DAAAAAAAMN RIGHT why are not all cars built this way .. well design strong components save lives..   up up up up X 100 Bravo !!!

Great find. thank you for such a good article

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#5 2006-02-24 12:16:56

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Re: Saabaru B Pillars vs. the jaws of life

So we'll survive the crash, but if we have any internal bleeding, or something else life threatening, we're still doomed?

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#6 2006-02-24 12:25:59

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Re: Saabaru B Pillars vs. the jaws of life

So that means I can not feel bad about removing my stock side airbag seats and replacing with race seats?


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#7 2006-02-24 12:27:49

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Re: Saabaru B Pillars vs. the jaws of life

Azrael wrote:

So we'll survive the crash, but if we have any internal bleeding, or something else life threatening, we're still doomed?

Did you read this?  It gives directions of how to get around the pillars.  The roof can still be hinged off or the pillars can be pinched off at the roof line above the steel rod.

AWESOME for Subaru!  I would like to think that Rally racing has had alot of impact on there safety features.


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#8 2006-02-24 12:33:32

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Re: Saabaru B Pillars vs. the jaws of life

Damn, now that is nice.  Makes me think that I we have a subaru in a saab skin with mercedes safety....hehe. jk  Its nice to hear that our car is safe from the people that actually see the wrecks and not the people that design them or do "standard" tests. wink

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#9 2006-02-24 12:44:03

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Re: Saabaru B Pillars vs. the jaws of life

Awesome find.

I take pride in the safety of my vehicle.

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#10 2006-02-24 13:04:40

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Re: Saabaru B Pillars vs. the jaws of life

AbACUZ wrote:

DAAAAAAAMN RIGHT why are not all cars built this way .. well design strong components save lives..   up up up up X 100 Bravo !!!

Great find. thank you for such a good article

Why?  because most cars don't have frameless windows anymore tongue   (look at how the door fits into the body on a car with framed windows next time ... the door becomes part of the cage that protects you.  In a subaru that isn't possible because of the frameless windows

 

#11 2006-02-24 13:10:42

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Re: Saabaru B Pillars vs. the jaws of life

dude.... the metal is better served as part of the pillar... not separated between pillar and door.

In other words, its better to have 5 inches of pillar than 3 inches of pillar and 2 inches of door frame


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#12 2006-02-24 13:22:07

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Re: Saabaru B Pillars vs. the jaws of life

Door frame is weak.


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#13 2006-02-24 13:27:11

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Re: Saabaru B Pillars vs. the jaws of life

ruckus04 wrote:

Azrael wrote:

So we'll survive the crash, but if we have any internal bleeding, or something else life threatening, we're still doomed?

Did you read this?  It gives directions of how to get around the pillars.  The roof can still be hinged off or the pillars can be pinched off at the roof line above the steel rod.

AWESOME for Subaru!  I would like to think that Rally racing has had alot of impact on there safety features.

Has this publication been sent to all Fireman and volunteers, or did you just happen to find it on your own?  It seems that the fireman who brought this to the writerss attention were stumped.

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#14 2006-02-24 13:50:35

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Re: Saabaru B Pillars vs. the jaws of life

Azrael wrote:

Has this publication been sent to all Fireman and volunteers, or did you just happen to find it on your own?  It seems that the fireman who brought this to the writerss attention were stumped.

I didn't read anywhere that the roof was indestructable, only that the B pillar was hard or impossible to cut.  My best freind is a fireman and they don't just get to a wreck and say well can't cut that particular part so I guess the driver is screwed, they do whatever they have too do, peel the roof back etc.  The firemen where only stumped as to why it didn't cut like butter like most cars.

If you are that concerned, maybe you should look into another brand vehicle.


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#15 2006-02-24 13:51:22

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Re: Saabaru B Pillars vs. the jaws of life

I am a fire fighter and a proud owner of Saabaru and I stumbled across this Firehouse magazine article at work.  I found it very helpful in preperation for an extrication involving any Subaru.  Or Saabaru.

Ring-Shaped Reinforcement Frame [STANDARD]
A Ring-Shaped Reinforcement Frame helps to protect the driver and passengers in the event of an accident. Comprised of higher strength steel, the Ring-Shaped Reinforcement Frame, dual side-impact door beams (which help prevent intrusions into the vehicle) and front and rear crumple zones (which help to redistribute impact energy away from the driver and passengers) combine to offer an exceptionally safe environment.


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#16 2006-02-24 14:04:45

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Re: Saabaru B Pillars vs. the jaws of life

I'm not saying they're going to leave someone to die, But my understanding is that the firemen who brought it to the writers attention had concerns with this. It seems that they made several attempts with the jaws of life and a recip saw before they moved on to cutting the roof.  They where following their standard protocol before they realized it wouldn't work.  I'm just saying that if any injuries where critical, that is valuable time that the person inside isn't receiving proper care. Now, hopefully this publication was sent around, or rescue crews are otherwise being made aware of this, so that they go straight for the roof. But if not, I hope you can see how this can cause a dilemma.

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#17 2006-02-24 14:20:04

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Re: Saabaru B Pillars vs. the jaws of life

Azrael wrote:

It seems that they made several attempts with the jaws of life and a recip saw before they moved on to cutting the roof.  They where following their standard protocol before they realized it wouldn't work.  I'm just saying that if any injuries where critical, that is valuable time that the person inside isn't receiving proper care.

I was thinking the EXACT same thing!  It's great to have awesome safety features, but if it isn't well known public knowledge...it can actually be a hinderance.  You could be dealing with a volunteer firefighter in po-dunk Indiana who normaly could extract but in this case may be stumped before shearing the roof.

Mercedes actually marks on the A and C pillars with arrows that say where to cut.  BRILLIANT!  This also is extra safety--because if an emergency worker cuts in the wrong place he/she may actually trigger the side air bags.


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#18 2006-02-24 14:22:15

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Re: Saabaru B Pillars vs. the jaws of life

i used the whole ring shaped reinforcement schpeel when i sell the suby's people are amazed all the time


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#19 2006-02-24 15:33:51

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Re: Saabaru B Pillars vs. the jaws of life

haha i was on that call with orangeburg fire, with the ambulance unfortunately, but ya the firemen on the call were bitching about not being able to get through the post...personally I don't think its completely necessary, as long as you have a way through windshield or door, but in some situations I guess its required...makes me feel better about our cars  banana

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#20 2006-02-24 16:23:14

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Re: Saabaru B Pillars vs. the jaws of life

well don't be too smug y'all.  wink

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#21 2006-02-24 19:21:50

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Re: Saabaru B Pillars vs. the jaws of life

There was an accident in St. Louis today a WRX Wagon was struck by a Amtrack train on it's way to K.C. (the Train)
both the driver and passenger are alive and are recovering. Now that is real design strength. eek
Great Article, thanks for the info.

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#22 2006-02-27 16:39:12

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Re: Saabaru B Pillars vs. the jaws of life

SAAB STORY
If you can find a link to a news article post it.


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#23 2006-02-27 16:58:07

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Re: Saabaru B Pillars vs. the jaws of life

Here it is, but it doesn't specifically say it's a WRX, but looking at the picture it looks like it could be a silver WRX wagon. One thing is for sure reading the article, they definitely have not gone to Stage 2 yet  biggrin

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/news/s … enDocument


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#24 2006-02-27 17:48:08

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Re: Saabaru B Pillars vs. the jaws of life

I don;t think it's a subie. the door is not frameless.

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#25 2006-02-27 18:09:02

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Re: Saabaru B Pillars vs. the jaws of life

THe title says SUV on that. At firt I thought maybe a Forrester? But looking at the fireman in comparison, that has to be a full sixe SUV.

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