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#126 2015-11-09 11:20:05

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Re: MOPAR OR NO CAR! -ikbrown's 68 Charger

You're running summer tires or all-seasons? Did you get a look at the BMW's tires? Has the BMW driver driven your car with similar impressions?

Sorry to derail your thread, ikbrown  tongue


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#127 2015-11-09 11:30:29

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Re: MOPAR OR NO CAR! -ikbrown's 68 Charger

LatentWagen wrote:

You're running summer tires or all-seasons? Did you get a look at the BMW's tires? Has the BMW driver driven your car with similar impressions?

Sorry to derail your thread, ikbrown  tongue

All seasons. I think the bimmer had nice tires, it still has like 4k miles so it might be on the factory ones.

Yes he drove mine as well and was surprised how much grippier it was. It was consistently me in front and him riding my tail in straights, then I took off in the middle and exit of every corner.


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#128 2015-11-09 11:45:34

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Re: MOPAR OR NO CAR! -ikbrown's 68 Charger

Yea, just checked and the BMW should be wearing MPSS, basically the best tires in the world lol

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sed … ewall.html

From MT's reviewer: "This is the best-handling production BMW I've driven in 10 years. This car is well-balanced. What a pleasure!" ... I'm guessing the E46 was the benchmark for his comparison.

The 2015 STi did edge it by .2 of a second around the track, however. 1:26.3 for the BMW, 1:26.1 for the STi around the Streets of Willow.

Time to take your car to the Streets of Willow wink


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#129 2015-11-09 13:15:59

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Re: MOPAR OR NO CAR! -ikbrown's 68 Charger

LatentWagen wrote:

Awesome Charger! Really nice resto work, especially the undercarriage and floor. Your friend's E46 looks clean, too. Love those cars, they're SO much fun.

Yea, the car's a bit of a rust bucket up close and seriously needed those replacement pans. Fred Flinstoning on the rotted out driver pan was not as fun as it sounds. haha. The rest of the undercarriage was mostly just surface rust and getting rid of that horrible undercoating they put on back in the day which actually did more to encourage rust than to prevent it. Now she's a fair weather car in California so I'm hoping her pans will stay minty fresh for a long long time to come.

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Sorry to derail your thread, ikbrown  tongue

lol, wouldn't be the first time, no worries man.


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#130 2015-11-09 18:36:55

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Re: MOPAR OR NO CAR! -ikbrown's 68 Charger

mhaggin wrote:

LatentWagen wrote:

You're running summer tires or all-seasons? Did you get a look at the BMW's tires? Has the BMW driver driven your car with similar impressions?

Sorry to derail your thread, ikbrown  tongue

All seasons. I think the bimmer had nice tires, it still has like 4k miles so it might be on the factory ones.

Yes he drove mine as well and was surprised how much grippier it was. It was consistently me in front and him riding my tail in straights, then I took off in the middle and exit of every corner.

Just wait until you get new swaybars


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#131 2015-11-09 19:33:33

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Re: MOPAR OR NO CAR! -ikbrown's 68 Charger

sohlman wrote:

Just wait until you get new swaybars

That should take it to 918 / P1 / LaFerrari territory lol

After reading a little more about the M235i, they say it's got the grip, but absolutely ZERO feedback through the wheel. If you don't know what the wheels are doing, it's not going to feel as connected, plain and simple. Confidence is everything, that's why Miatas, BRZs, and E36s are so much fun. Electric steering sucks  alot


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#132 2015-11-09 19:52:43

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Re: MOPAR OR NO CAR! -ikbrown's 68 Charger

LatentWagen wrote:

Electric steering sucks  alot

The Charger's steering sucks  alot  biggrin


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#133 2015-11-09 19:59:25

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Re: MOPAR OR NO CAR! -ikbrown's 68 Charger

LatentWagen wrote:

sohlman wrote:

Just wait until you get new swaybars

Electric steering sucks  alot

Electric steering is fine if it's done right. The 2015 WRX steering feels great, and I've heard Porsche has gotten it down perfectly in the GT3.


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#134 2015-11-09 20:18:05

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Re: MOPAR OR NO CAR! -ikbrown's 68 Charger

Porsche does do a good job, don't get me wrong. Ferrari's setup is pretty good, too. I like Mac's electro-hydraulic very much. Lucky enough to have driven all three.

But electric steering still sucks overall, IMO, even when well-executed. It would not exist except for the need for it with today's crazy intrusive nanny systems, and MPG standards. E-steering will never be as pure as direct feel hydraulic. The fewer things that get in the way, the better, IMO... drive a GT3, then get in a 4C, and let me know what you think smile


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#135 2015-11-09 20:20:57

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Re: MOPAR OR NO CAR! -ikbrown's 68 Charger

ikbrown wrote:

LatentWagen wrote:

Electric steering sucks  alot

The Charger's steering sucks  alot  biggrin

Impossible, it's DIRECT FEEL HYDRAULIC!  biggrin

Damnit, it's happening again (Crazy Train plays in the background)...


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#136 2015-11-09 22:06:16

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Re: MOPAR OR NO CAR! -ikbrown's 68 Charger

arrow-up AWD (and the typical stock Scoob understeer) makes it far easier to push a car under power, particularly if the road isn't fully familiar. Driven at 10/10ths (which I assume no one really does on public roads knowingly), equal driver, stock for stock, same conditions, the Bimmer would be WAY faster.  In the current automotive age (10 yrs past when our cars were) our cars (particularly stock everywhere) just aren't that fast.


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#137 2015-12-07 14:25:09

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Re: MOPAR OR NO CAR! -ikbrown's 68 Charger

Took her out to a local Toys for Tots car show over the weekend with some Mopar buddies - we've got a good Christmas color combo going on. ha.

The green Charger has 295s on 10 inch wheels that he's willing to let me test fit on mine some time to take some measurements and take a quick cruise to see if it rubs, and if so, if a different backspacing would work, if I'd need to roll the fenders at all. Problem is, he got the wheels off a Mustang so the backspacing is way different than ours and he is running 2" spacers to bring them out to work in the Charger fenders. Annnnddd.. for some weird reason I don't know, Chrysler put reverse thread studs on the driver-side rear and he's replaced his with standard studs. Soooo in order to test fit using his wheels and adapters/spacers I'll have to press in new studs, which probably isn't a bad idea anyway since the lug nuts and studs on the driver-side rear are pretty torn up from people forgetting that they're reverse thread over the years.

Also... I took some measurements the other day to get an idea how much clearance I'll have w/ 295s. W/ 245s on an 8" wheel I have about 2" on either side before I'd have issues. The section width of the 245s I measure at 9.5 inches, the 295s section width will be about 12". Sooo w/ 2" space on either side currently, if I was able to get the proper backspacing to keep things centered I would have .75 inches on either side. Would be a tight fit! Hence why I want to test fit my friends 295s to see exactly what backspacing will work and if they'll rub at all.

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#138 2015-12-07 16:21:58

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Re: MOPAR OR NO CAR! -ikbrown's 68 Charger

arrow-up your driver's front hub has been replaced, or if you've had it since new, they screwed up on your car.  Mopar fitted LH thread lugs to the driver's side of all of their cars back then.  The engineering call for it is weak, tho technically proper, but there they be.  You figger out what it means...  tongue


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#139 2015-12-07 17:10:14

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Re: MOPAR OR NO CAR! -ikbrown's 68 Charger

Scargo wrote:

arrow-up your driver's front hub has been replaced, or if you've had it since new, they screwed up on your car.  Mopar fitted LH thread lugs to the driver's side of all of their cars back then.  The engineering call for it is weak, tho technically proper, but there they be.  You figger out what it means...  tongue

Ahhhhh, got it. We replaced the front drum brakes with disc brakes so that's when those studs got replaced. We did the brake upgrade pretty much right after we bought it so ya, don't remember having the driver-side front as LH threads. Thanks for the insight!


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#140 2015-12-07 18:44:39

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Re: MOPAR OR NO CAR! -ikbrown's 68 Charger

up Your Charger would look so clean with wider wheels. Good luck with the fitment.


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#141 2015-12-07 21:27:23

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Re: MOPAR OR NO CAR! -ikbrown's 68 Charger

Wheel fitment issues will make your head spin! It is making mine spin, haha. I'm trying to do the same thing with my slow poke.

2 inch adapters, that's a lot!


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#142 2015-12-07 23:10:43

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Re: MOPAR OR NO CAR! -ikbrown's 68 Charger

I'm guessing you know about this site, but it's useful for plugging and playing around with different numbers:  willtheyfit.com


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#143 2015-12-08 12:30:33

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Re: MOPAR OR NO CAR! -ikbrown's 68 Charger

sohlman wrote:

up Your Charger would look so clean with wider wheels. Good luck with the fitment.

That's the plan! Front won't be much wider, just will be swapping the 245s to the front (235s on 8" wheels now) but the rear will make a big difference.

Avmaviator wrote:

Wheel fitment issues will make your head spin! It is making mine spin, haha. I'm trying to do the same thing with my slow poke.

2 inch adapters, that's a lot!

lol yea it's a bit of a pain. Some say 295s work no problem, other insist you'll rub even with 275s (but the 275 tires available have a taller sidewall), who knows. haha. Hence why test-fitting my friends 15x10 w/ 295s setup will help to determine exactly what I'll need to get to work.

You still thinking of getting Aero Race Wheels steelies for your car? I'm thinking about getting their 58 series wheels in black for the Charger.

kornfeld wrote:

I'm guessing you know about this site, but it's useful for plugging and playing around with different numbers:  willtheyfit.com

Yea, I used that site when I was seeing how different offsets/size wheels would impact the Saabaru. With the Charger, it's WAY easier. All the wheels I'm looking at measure offset in terms of the backspacing. For example, my current wheels (still need to measure backspacing to confirm) are 8" with (I think) a 4" backspacing (or -12 offset). That basically centers the wheel in the wheel well the way the Charger is set up. The 10" wheels I'm looking at getting, I'd probably get w/ a 5" backspacing to keep the same offset and it would basically just end up extending the setup an inch each direction plus another inch or so on each side for the tires.

I've been reading up on what setups work on people's Chargers w/ 295s. Some have gotten away w/ 10" w/ 5.5 backspacing but that pushes it very close to the inner wheel well and leaf springs, some use 5" backspacing and some use 4.5" backspacing which pushes it just about flush with the outside wheel well. I'd rather play it safe and do more backspacing, say 5", and then space it out another 1/4" if necessary.


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#144 2016-01-06 19:13:59

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Re: MOPAR OR NO CAR! -ikbrown's 68 Charger

Minor update, I removed the chrome wheel well trim pieces recently. They're just held on with 6 screws per trim piece, and all but 2 screws came out with some rust penetrant encouragement - 2 I had to drill out. Damn you rust! It's a small change, but makes a big difference when viewing the car from the side, I like it much better without. And, to my pleasant surprise, the paint underneath the trim pieces was presentable still. smile
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#145 2016-01-06 19:15:00

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Re: MOPAR OR NO CAR! -ikbrown's 68 Charger

up Looking good


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#146 2016-01-08 23:06:10

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Re: MOPAR OR NO CAR! -ikbrown's 68 Charger

Looks great! It is amazing how sometimes, removing little things can change the whole look of the car (especially in the owner's eye  :big grin:)

Stupid question, what's the chrome circle on the front fenders?... A light?



ikbrown wrote:

You still thinking of getting Aero Race Wheels steelies for your car? I'm thinking about getting their 58 series wheels in black for the Charger.

Sorry for the late reply, I didn't see this.

I was thinking of getting some Bart wheels, which are very similar, if not identical in some models, to Aero Race. I'm still debating it.  My goal right now is to get the car running and on the road.  Once that is achieved I'm going to take some pics and play with photoshop. I have a good amount of measurements and I think I could run 195s.  I'd like to figure out the wheels before I drop though, or vice versa... arghhh!

I like this look, although with drums I'm not sure if it would look as good.

http://photos.gripshiftslide.com/HIROSBIG8/8.jpg


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#147 2016-01-11 12:30:48

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Re: MOPAR OR NO CAR! -ikbrown's 68 Charger

Avmaviator wrote:

Looks great! It is amazing how sometimes, removing little things can change the whole look of the car (especially in the owner's eye  :big grin:)

Stupid question, what's the chrome circle on the front fenders?... A light?

Haha, yea maybe itís just me that it made a big difference to cuz Iíve been thinking about removing those wheel trim pieces for awhile now. Ha. Finally got around to it.

The chrome circle on the front fenders (also on the back fenders) is a turn signal indicator. When we get around to body work Iíd like to remove them and fill over to clean up the fenders.

Avmaviator wrote:

Sorry for the late reply, I didn't see this.

I was thinking of getting some Bart wheels, which are very similar, if not identical in some models, to Aero Race. I'm still debating it.  My goal right now is to get the car running and on the road.  Once that is achieved I'm going to take some pics and play with photoshop. I have a good amount of measurements and I think I could run 195s.  I'd like to figure out the wheels before I drop though, or vice versa... arghhh!

I like this look, although with drums I'm not sure if it would look as good.

No worries on the late reply. Iíve looked at those Bart wheels as well, the Bart, Bassett, and Aero track wheels are all pretty close to the same from a design perspective. Obviously wow those look great with the disc brakes showing through the holes in that picture of the truck, but plenty of people run them with drums too. I think theyíd look fine with drums (Iím not planning on upgrading my rear drums in the near future at all wink)

What size would you be getting for the steelies?

Iíve also been debating going with a period correct steelie as well vs. one of the newer style steeelies. Wheel Vintiques and a couple other make the OEM style wheel in wider dimensions up to 15x10.


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#148 2016-01-12 13:12:51

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Re: MOPAR OR NO CAR! -ikbrown's 68 Charger

ikbrown wrote:

What size would you be getting for the steelies?

I'm on the fence right now as to what size. I think 15' will be a good compromise between stock looking and more modern looking. The oem wheels were 13s or 14s. I believe I have the 14s... I have measured some stuff but that is, with the car in the air and all that. So far I think 7" wide will work out well.  More investigating needs to be done! hah.


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#149 2016-05-13 15:46:56

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Re: MOPAR OR NO CAR! -ikbrown's 68 Charger

Am I crazy or is this a decent deal?  For some reason I thought Chargers went for a lot of dough, even if they're not in the best shape.  I wish I had the skills to do a build like this would require.
https://albany.craigslist.org/cto/5553617476.html


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#150 2016-05-13 16:35:45

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Re: MOPAR OR NO CAR! -ikbrown's 68 Charger

cjaama wrote:

Am I crazy or is this a decent deal?  For some reason I thought Chargers went for a lot of dough, even if they're not in the best shape.  I wish I had the skills to do a build like this would require.
https://albany.craigslist.org/cto/5553617476.html

Seems like a pretty good deal but it depends based on what condition the body is underneath the paint and under the car, if it's been in NY rusting away its' whole life.

The 2nd gen Chargers 68-70 have the highest value but yea, those first gen ones 66/67 if a 426 hemi or high option variety still can go for a good amount. I think that generation is starting to gain some popularity.


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