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#51 2006-02-15 16:05:12

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Re: Warning to Mazdaspeed6 consumers

heathbar wrote:

I really like the MS6 and would love to have one, I can see your dilemma.  I agree that the MS6 has a lot more of the "gotta have it" factor than the LGT does!

The question you need to ask yourself is, "is this car worth $10k more than my 92x?"  I mean, that's 50% more!!!

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#52 2006-02-15 17:36:16

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Re: Warning to Mazdaspeed6 consumers

I did like the MSP6 initially. But after reading the reviews and spending sometime at the mazdaspeed6 forums, i wouldn't want to buy one let alone trade in our Aero for one. The main issue for sure is the powerloss. Be it heatsoak, over sensitive knock sensors, 93 octane vs. 91 oct or whatever gremlins it has, this car is a frustrating drive. They are some accounts of MSP6 owners that said while trying to perform and overtaking maneuver, the power just dropped and he had to pulled back behind. That's pretty sad!
The car would open the wastegate at 4000rpm when it detects any knock (hot weather, 91oct etc). Thus dropping all boost which makes it slower than a 2.5i Mazda6! It's also quite heavy at 3600lbs if you compare it to a 3300lb LGT.
It's a nice superficial car but after that it falls flat on its face.
Road and Track did a recent AWD sedan comparo and the LGT spec B slaughtered the competition in terms of performance. MSP6 came out 6th.  sad

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#53 2006-02-16 10:09:39

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Re: Warning to Mazdaspeed6 consumers

That's not a dyno graph, that's a doodle.....


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#54 2006-02-17 03:08:11

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Re: Warning to Mazdaspeed6 consumers

Chad W wrote:

That's not a dyno graph, that's a doodle.....

Saw some real ones and they look the same with a few more squiggles  banana  But I can't find them now  banghead

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#55 2006-02-21 15:30:27

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Re: Warning to Mazdaspeed6 consumers

Originally this was a thread asking for advice on trading in my 92x for a MS6 but I changed the title so people thinking about buying a MS6 can beaware of some serious issues the car has. eek


Drink deeply from the cup of knowledge.

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#56 2006-02-21 16:38:01

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Re: Warning to Mazdaspeed6 consumers

delhi wrote:

I did like the MSP6 initially. But after reading the reviews and spending sometime at the mazdaspeed6 forums, i wouldn't want to buy one let alone trade in our Aero for one. The main issue for sure is the powerloss. Be it heatsoak, over sensitive knock sensors, 93 octane vs. 91 oct or whatever gremlins it has, this car is a frustrating drive. They are some accounts of MSP6 owners that said while trying to perform and overtaking maneuver, the power just dropped and he had to pulled back behind. That's pretty sad!
The car would open the wastegate at 4000rpm when it detects any knock (hot weather, 91oct etc). Thus dropping all boost which makes it slower than a 2.5i Mazda6! It's also quite heavy at 3600lbs if you compare it to a 3300lb LGT.
It's a nice superficial car but after that it falls flat on its face.
Road and Track did a recent AWD sedan comparo and the LGT spec B slaughtered the competition in terms of performance. MSP6 came out 6th.  sad

Careful in your synopsis of the Road and Track Comparo. On the track, the Mazdaspeed 6 did well. They didn't seem to note any heatsoak issues. But as a CAR as well as performance vehicle, it did fall on it's face in a number of subjective areas. It lacked chassis stiffness, so it performed well in spite of the body flexing, had a poor ride quality, which was obvious from the other competitors is not an exclusive issue, had even cheaper interior bits in it than even the LGT, and finally apparently the sound of the intake was overwhelmingly (had the same reports from C&D and AutoWeek) disgusting sounding when on full song. Those issues are what knocked the car down, not the objective performance #'s.  That being said, the LGT did quite well, just loosing out to the more expensive Audi A4 2.0T quattro. To put things into perspective, the LGT did beat the BMW 325i, due primarily to the lack of Bimmer motor, it's still the handling king of the class. Be careful when summarizing the causes of the ratings of vehicles, it's not as cut and dry as people make it out to be. Personally, I think the LGT is a helluva deal. If someone totals my 9-2X, I'd go for one with my "earnings".  biggrin

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#57 2006-02-21 16:49:48

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Re: Warning to Mazdaspeed6 consumers

Whoever thinks the MS6 is worth 50% more than the 9-2 Aero should be smacked! eek banghead

Just what I need.  A car that can go into limp mode at any time... and costs $30,000.  LGT for me please.


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#58 2006-02-21 18:39:59

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Re: Warning to Mazdaspeed6 consumers

IIRC on track performance in the R&T article the Mazdaspeed6 came out 4th. Pretty disappointing for what supposed to be a hotted up version of a car model. Until Mazda get its act together and resolve the power loss issue with the MSP6, steer clear! Unless getting beaten by a mazda3 1/2 of the time is your kinda thing.  roll

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#59 2006-02-21 19:54:02

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Re: Warning to Mazdaspeed6 consumers

delhi wrote:

IIRC on track performance in the R&T article the Mazdaspeed6 came out 4th. Pretty disappointing for what supposed to be a hotted up version of a car model. Until Mazda get its act together and resolve the power loss issue with the MSP6, steer clear! Unless getting beaten by a mazda3 1/2 of the time is your kinda thing.  roll

4th by how far? On what kind of average lap times. I'm not able to get to my "reading room" for the moment, so I can't tell. Unless you take your car to timed events (often enough to be a consistent driver, I might add) I'd bet you wouldn't be able to tell which car was quickest through a particular course from the driver's seat. Many a good "feeling" car has been slower than a hairy car over the same course, with a consistent driver. Doesn't mean that the Mazda isn't slower, but it may not be slower by a significant margin for most drivers. Heck, many a slower car has been shown to be faster than a
"faster" car by consistent driving (as in I have beaten many a Corvette (C3 and C4, though barely C4) at many autocrosses in an A2 8V GTi.). These comparisons are a starting point, but hardly the only basis for comparison. That having been said, I'd still go for an LGT over a Mspd6 mostly for the utility.

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#60 2006-02-22 06:29:42

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Re: Warning to Mazdaspeed6 consumers

With power issues like this, the MS6 is going to be slower by a significant margin on any track.   wink tongue  OK, maybe not on an autocross....

http://legacygt.com/forums/showthread.p … road+track

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v217/05xtsy/performanceresults1.jpg

Last edited by Snaab9-2 (2006-02-22 07:42:23)


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#61 2006-02-22 08:12:33

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Re: Warning to Mazdaspeed6 consumers

lol ^19 seconds to get from 60-100... that thing really really suffers under 91.  That's slower than a basic 4-cyl econobox (sentra, sunfire etc)


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