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#126 2012-05-24 06:09:36

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Re: F**K MINIVANS! I'm building a motovan!

Any good choices out there that have 3 rows of seating and could fit a wheel chair behind the third row? A coworker is similarly conflucted: she doesn't want a minivan but needs room for her family and her handicapped daughter's gear.


Had: 2005 92x Aero 14.5 @ 94, Stage 1
Totaled: 2008 K04 GTI 13.7 @ 102
Has: 2011 Volvo S60 T6 KW V3, Ferrita downpipe, DO88 FMIC, 13.1 @ 101
1997 Cadillac DeVille a.k.a. The Marshmallow Warhammer D'Elegance 15.2 @ 92

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#127 2012-05-24 07:31:26

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Re: F**K MINIVANS! I'm building a motovan!

Bunnspeed wrote:

Any good choices out there that have 3 rows of seating and could fit a wheel chair behind the third row? A coworker is similarly conflucted: she doesn't want a minivan but needs room for her family and her handicapped daughter's gear.

Used, or new? Utilizing 3 rows simultaneously with storage space gets tricky- will all of the seats be filled, or will there be space for groceries / luggage etc up front? If the latter is true, then she just needs a cargo space that is tall/wide enough for the folded chair; depth won't be an issue and most anything with 3 rows in this thread will work. Otherwise, it may come down to Expeditions or Suburbans. The picture below shows a great view of what I'm referring to- remove the cargo cover, and there is space for a folded wheelchair (and not much else, though some items could be packed around the chair on the floor). As such, vehicles already mentioned in this thread with 3 rows all should work: OG SRX, Outlook / Acadia / Traverse / Enclave, Flex, potentially the Mazda 5 but methinks that might be tight. Vehicles not yet mentioned which Geoff may want to consider as well:

Mazda CX9 (sloped hatch may not provide the wheelchair width + height)
Chrysler Pacifica- not my cup of tea but it also might be just the trick for the space challenged. The image is from the Pacifica, btw.
GMC Envoy XL (not the XUV with the Avalanche-like rear, though that might work for Geoff quite nicely- the dogs would have a great place to nap)




https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSwwoeFmCLo9HbmBrbzXujKpY71-ZuE-hKxyE8w_plERTGRw-6l


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#128 2012-05-24 07:37:59

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Re: F**K MINIVANS! I'm building a motovan!

krazykarguy wrote:

I found a good one for you:
http://burlington.craigslist.org/cto/3007586895.html
http://images.craigslist.org/5Ed5Ka5F23E73G73L6c5abb02c26ea5b21520.jpg

hyperboarder wrote:

We need something that can transport my wife and I, checkmark
a toddler, checkmark
a couple big ass dogs checkmark checkmark,
and all our shit.checkmark 
It needs to sit close to the ground checkmark,
get ok mileage  hmm,
and be comfortable for 12+ hour drives.checkmark

Six outta seven ain't bad. Oh, yeah...

Btw, the '94-'96 models can get 25-26 mpg on the highway; my '92 used to get 21+.

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#129 2012-05-24 10:03:20

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Re: F**K MINIVANS! I'm building a motovan!

Don't feel too bad about minivans...a bunch of your friends drive station wagons. big_smile


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#130 2012-05-25 13:08:47

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Re: F**K MINIVANS! I'm building a motovan!

n_r_child wrote:

Bunnspeed wrote:

Any good choices out there that have 3 rows of seating and could fit a wheel chair behind the third row? A coworker is similarly conflucted: she doesn't want a minivan but needs room for her family and her handicapped daughter's gear.

Used, or new? Utilizing 3 rows simultaneously with storage space gets tricky- will all of the seats be filled, or will there be space for groceries / luggage etc up front? If the latter is true, then she just needs a cargo space that is tall/wide enough for the folded chair; depth won't be an issue and most anything with 3 rows in this thread will work. Otherwise, it may come down to Expeditions or Suburbans. The picture below shows a great view of what I'm referring to- remove the cargo cover, and there is space for a folded wheelchair (and not much else, though some items could be packed around the chair on the floor). As such, vehicles already mentioned in this thread with 3 rows all should work: OG SRX, Outlook / Acadia / Traverse / Enclave, Flex, potentially the Mazda 5 but methinks that might be tight. Vehicles not yet mentioned which Geoff may want to consider as well:

Mazda CX9 (sloped hatch may not provide the wheelchair width + height)
Chrysler Pacifica- not my cup of tea but it also might be just the trick for the space challenged. The image is from the Pacifica, btw.
GMC Envoy XL (not the XUV with the Avalanche-like rear, though that might work for Geoff quite nicely- the dogs would have a great place to nap)




https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSwwoeFmCLo9HbmBrbzXujKpY71-ZuE-hKxyE8w_plERTGRw-6l

Thanks for the great suggestions. up

She ended up with a Dodge Caravan.  hmm

At least she's planning on buying a cheap jeep as a second vehicle, for when she gets to roll solo.


Had: 2005 92x Aero 14.5 @ 94, Stage 1
Totaled: 2008 K04 GTI 13.7 @ 102
Has: 2011 Volvo S60 T6 KW V3, Ferrita downpipe, DO88 FMIC, 13.1 @ 101
1997 Cadillac DeVille a.k.a. The Marshmallow Warhammer D'Elegance 15.2 @ 92

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#131 2012-05-27 00:35:55

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Re: F**K MINIVANS! I'm building a motovan!

Question for those who've had experience with Mazda 5's: Do the back seats fold all the way flat into the floor or are there gaps?  I'm liking this option more and more but the rear seats are questionable.  My great dane is dumb and any gaps around the side may = him getting hurt.

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#132 2012-05-27 01:08:23

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Re: F**K MINIVANS! I'm building a motovan!

pretty sure 3rd row flat, 2nd row you'll have the gap by the door.

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#133 2012-05-27 05:20:50

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Re: F**K MINIVANS! I'm building a motovan!

My grandma has a Mazda 5, very base model, that I've had to drive a few times to Houston and back. Talk about the most uncomfortable car that is completely hideous and unfunctional. It's bad.

We drove a Grand Caravan from a rental company once and thought, interior wise, it was the worst minivan we had ever had.

The Kia Sedona we had for a few months was honestly our favorite minivan.


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#134 2012-05-27 11:06:52

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Re: F**K MINIVANS! I'm building a motovan!

hyperboarder wrote:

Question for those who've had experience with Mazda 5's: Do the back seats fold all the way flat into the floor or are there gaps?  I'm liking this option more and more but the rear seats are questionable.  My great dane is dumb and any gaps around the side may = him getting hurt.

Couldn't you buy a big, heavy carpet and cut it to the shape you need, and put it down on top of the folded seats so there isn't anything that could cause Fido to get hurt? Roll it up or put it in the house when the dog isn't with you.


Had: 2005 92x Aero 14.5 @ 94, Stage 1
Totaled: 2008 K04 GTI 13.7 @ 102
Has: 2011 Volvo S60 T6 KW V3, Ferrita downpipe, DO88 FMIC, 13.1 @ 101
1997 Cadillac DeVille a.k.a. The Marshmallow Warhammer D'Elegance 15.2 @ 92

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#135 2012-05-27 13:18:10

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Re: F**K MINIVANS! I'm building a motovan!

Homyality wrote:

My grandma has a Mazda 5, very base model, that I've had to drive a few times to Houston and back. Talk about the most uncomfortable car that is completely hideous and unfunctional. It's bad.

We drove a Grand Caravan from a rental company once and thought, interior wise, it was the worst minivan we had ever had.

The Kia Sedona we had for a few months was honestly our favorite minivan.

So many conflicting opinions here, care to elaborate?  What didn't you like?

Bunnspeed wrote:

Couldn't you buy a big, heavy carpet and cut it to the shape you need, and put it down on top of the folded seats so there isn't anything that could cause Fido to get hurt? Roll it up or put it in the house when the dog isn't with you.

http://www.hybridcars.com/files/imagecache/full_502/files/graphics/mazda5-cargo.jpg

The black areas next to the tan folded seats are what worry me, if they're gaps I'm thinking he might step through.  He's big (150 lbs) so carpet won't cut it, it'd have to be a custom cut piece of plywood or something.  I'm fine with that, just need to know if it's required.

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#136 2012-05-27 14:17:21

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hyperboarder wrote:

Homyality wrote:

My grandma has a Mazda 5, very base model, that I've had to drive a few times to Houston and back. Talk about the most uncomfortable car that is completely hideous and unfunctional. It's bad.

We drove a Grand Caravan from a rental company once and thought, interior wise, it was the worst minivan we had ever had.

The Kia Sedona we had for a few months was honestly our favorite minivan.

So many conflicting opinions here, care to elaborate?  What didn't you like?

Bunnspeed wrote:

Couldn't you buy a big, heavy carpet and cut it to the shape you need, and put it down on top of the folded seats so there isn't anything that could cause Fido to get hurt? Roll it up or put it in the house when the dog isn't with you.

http://www.hybridcars.com/files/imagecache/full_502/files/graphics/mazda5-cargo.jpg

The black areas next to the tan folded seats are what worry me, if they're gaps I'm thinking he might step through.  He's big (150 lbs) so carpet won't cut it, it'd have to be a custom cut piece of plywood or something.  I'm fine with that, just need to know if it's required.

In the Mazda 5? It was just incredibly uncomfortable all around. It's impractical.. The speedo and all is off to the side, so you have to look halfway to the right to see it. Every seat is uncomfortable. It drives like a piece of wood with wheels and a motor on it. The only thing I like is the little spot to put stuff on the dash on the passenger side.


Just a cam and a tune.

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#137 2012-05-27 15:49:18

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Re: F**K MINIVANS! I'm building a motovan!

Are you sure you're thinking of the same car?  The Mazda 5 has the gauge cluster At the same spot as almost any other car out there.

Also, do you know where I can buy any janky paintball gear?

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#138 2012-05-27 17:50:07

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http://mazda5.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Mazda-5.jpg

This is the Mazda I am talking about, the Mazda 5. My grandmothers is a little darker. My dad is also a member here, he can vouch for everything I have said. It was the absolute most uncomfortable piece of crap ever. But, again, it is VERY base model.

The gearbag sales on PBN are the best place to look for general used gear. Most of it is well taken care of, though. Most tournament players, myself included, are willing to beat them up extreriorly, but keep the internals going strong.


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#139 2012-05-27 17:55:06

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I'm looking at their web gallery right now and I don't see how the speedo is any different from any car I've driven.

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#140 2012-05-27 18:01:05

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That hood over the top might be a little distracting, and I suppose the speedo is off to the right a little bit.

http://i.imgur.com/ANvLz.jpg

But enough about this, tell us more about paintball.

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#141 2012-05-27 22:41:09

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Oh, I played competitive for a few years. My father and I played on a D3 team that was going to play Division 2 XBall at World Cup.

The sport is way too expensive to play, though. I mean, let's assume you have all the gear, you're usually driving an hour-three hours to make it to practice, you miss church if you're Christian, you will eat all three meals out, you will buy 2 cases of paint at ~50 dollars a case, entry is about 20... The gear is pretty expensive too, though.

I miss it, and it was the most fun I've ever had in my life when playing.. But we can't afford it.


I can give any tips if you need any on gear or anything. I know everything you could need to know about the sport.


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#142 2012-05-31 19:12:14

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Re: F**K MINIVANS! I'm building a motovan!

This contemporary road test of candidate vehicles might assist your decision making process.  In any case, it's from back when Car and Driver was worth reading...

http://forums.subdriven.com/showthread. … 8651/page2


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#143 2012-05-31 19:17:55

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It's clear that the OP should buy a K5 blazer


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#144 2012-06-09 14:12:46

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Re: F**K MINIVANS! I'm building a motovan!

Bumping this again.  Any passenger vans worth looking at?  I figure they'd be comfy for long trips, plenty of storage, and I can throw some tie dows in to haul the bikes around if I want.  Still trying to think outside the box...

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#145 2012-06-09 14:17:57

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Used Safari or Astro ftw. It'd be fun, not emasculating, it'd be practical and reliable...and it'd be relatively cheap. Try it out for a few months and then sell it for exactly what you bought it for if you don't like it.  driving


Had: 2005 92x Aero 14.5 @ 94, Stage 1
Totaled: 2008 K04 GTI 13.7 @ 102
Has: 2011 Volvo S60 T6 KW V3, Ferrita downpipe, DO88 FMIC, 13.1 @ 101
1997 Cadillac DeVille a.k.a. The Marshmallow Warhammer D'Elegance 15.2 @ 92

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#146 2012-06-09 14:58:48

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Bunnspeed wrote:

Used Safari or Astro ftw. It'd be fun, not emasculating, it'd be practical and reliable...and it'd be relatively cheap. Try it out for a few months and then sell it for exactly what you bought it for if you don't like it.  driving

Thinking bigger, like Express or Econoline territory.  Something with 2 benches and 2 captains in the rear.

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#147 2012-06-09 15:13:39

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Bunnspeed wrote:

Used Safari or Astro ftw. It'd be fun, not emasculating, it'd be practical and reliable...and it'd be relatively cheap. Try it out for a few months and then sell it for exactly what you bought it for if you don't like it.  driving

Thinking bigger, like Express or Econoline territory.  Something with 2 benches and 2 captains in the rear.

I drove Econoline vans back when I was a sped teacher doing a lot of community outings with my special lads. Be aware that the pedal placement is terrible, or at least it was terrible at the time that I was whipping these passenger beasts around town back in the early Oughts.  The gas and brake pedals were mounted so high off the floor that I had to pivot my foot at a sharp, weird angle to depress the pedal with my heel still on the floor. The crazy foot angle made my foot fall asleep every single time I drove one of those vans for more than 15 minutes. It was an extremely uncomfortable vehicle even for local driving. Over all they were ultra-crappy to drive in every single respect. Shitty switchgear, shitty handling, ok-to-shitty power depending on which van/ engine I was using. All of them oozed cheapness and poor build quality from every pore. You might have better luck shopping a full-sized GM or Dodge van product.

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Had: 2005 92x Aero 14.5 @ 94, Stage 1
Totaled: 2008 K04 GTI 13.7 @ 102
Has: 2011 Volvo S60 T6 KW V3, Ferrita downpipe, DO88 FMIC, 13.1 @ 101
1997 Cadillac DeVille a.k.a. The Marshmallow Warhammer D'Elegance 15.2 @ 92

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#148 2012-06-09 16:55:11

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#149 2012-06-09 17:38:33

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Re: F**K MINIVANS! I'm building a motovan!

n_r_child wrote:

http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2059441/2002-ford-econoline-e150-passenger

Love the Quigley conversions.

Further updates: Checked out the Mazda 5.  Really not bad, fairly comfortable, usable (with kids in the middle row) 3rd rows, but not big enough.  With the 3rd row down it was just too small for the dogs.  Checked out the Sorento too, which was pretty nice.  Lots of features, comfortable, great mileage.  Also a tight squeeze in the back, but this one seemed doable.  Looking at the numbers, the 5 has more cargo room with the 3rd row down, but it didn't feel like it, I suspect much of that is vertical.  Still no idea what we're going to do.

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#150 2012-06-10 03:31:31

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Srsly can't believe this thread has 150 replies.   lol


And here come the fact checkers arrow-down

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