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#1 2011-03-12 02:15:03

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pistol buying advice

looking at a few different pistols.

i have had a glock 23C before it was a fun gun, loud, went boom and had ok accuracy. got tired of the muzzle flash and sold it several months ago.

now i am debating between a .40 glock. most likely a 23 non compensated. like i said fun to shoot, reliable, and it had ok accuracy.

a 9mm glock. a compact version like the 23.

a steyr A1. not sure if i would buy a 40 or a 9. i love the way they feel. i have never shot one though and only ever seen 1 in person.

the only bonus to a 9 for either gun is going to be the cheaper ammo and less recoil. i like .40's but im not sure which i would prefer. would conceal carry occasionally after i get my permit but i dont know if i would carry it all the time.

if i was to get a carry gun i have my sights set on the mk9 or pm 9.

any other pistols in that price range that are accurate and reliable you would suggest? not huge on the XD series.


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#2 2011-03-12 02:28:57

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Re: pistol buying advice

XD is better in every way  banana

Check out the S&W M&P pistols and the CZ series of pistols. A used Sig might be in your price range too.


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#3 2011-03-14 16:19:09

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Re: pistol buying advice

Ive had my Gock .40 23 n/c for three years and absolutly love it.

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#4 2011-03-14 16:53:56

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Re: pistol buying advice

Glock 19
S&W M&P9
FN FNP-9 or FNX-9
CZ-75
Browning Hi-Power


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#5 2011-03-14 16:55:24

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#6 2011-03-14 17:10:27

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Re: pistol buying advice

and to add on the 9mm or.40 question, I'd personally rather have the larger round for stopping power. But as long as you can shoot worth a shit, either will kill a bad guy. I just like punching bigger holes in them  checkmark

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#7 2011-03-14 18:20:43

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Re: pistol buying advice

Glock 33, hollow points.


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#8 2011-03-14 18:40:40

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Re: pistol buying advice

+1 to Glock 19


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#9 2011-03-14 22:51:42

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Re: pistol buying advice

I carried a glock 19 for my last job and every time I looked at it I wished I had an XD on my hip instead (or a 1911 spider )


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#10 2011-03-14 23:16:05

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Re: pistol buying advice

I have a Kahr P9 and love it.  The double action only trigger is smooth and the recoil is very controllable for me.

It would make a great carry gun, but not for me, since I live in Hawaii.

BUT, it's on the pricey side, around $650 for new.  I got mine used for $475.

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#11 2011-03-21 09:41:00

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Re: pistol buying advice

threadjack, sorry...

My step-dad is going to a gun show in Tulsa, OK next week with his best friend, a gun shop owner and FFL.  I'm going to have him try to pick something up for me while he's out there.  I want a .22 rifle to play with on the range, and a handgun, not for carry use, but for keeping in the house, and also range shooting.  In a handgun, I'm not looking for something that will detach someone's head from their body, so I'm probably leaning toward a 9mm Glock, or equivalent.  As far as the .22 goes, ever since Pyro sold that G22 on here a while ago, I've been thinking about it.  I think I'll try to see if he can get me a good deal on one of those.  I'd only be buying one or the other at this point.

I've shot my step-dad's Glock 23, and at 15 yards, 10 ringed the whole clip.  Is it safe to assume that a 9mm Glock (maybe the 17, or another full-frame gun) will have similar results?  From all of the threads on here, it seems like the XD gets a lot of love too.  I might see which he prefers.  Any other advice on the topic?

OP, what did you end up going with?


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#12 2011-03-21 13:47:27

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Re: pistol buying advice

Mrmulletmania wrote:

I carried a glock 19 for my last job and every time I looked at it I wished I had an XD on my hip instead (or a 1911 spider )

I've had my eye on a 1911 Warthog to carry.  .45s a little to strong for the hands on such a small frame though.


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#13 2011-03-21 14:27:03

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Re: pistol buying advice

SilentlyAmazing wrote:

threadjack, sorry...

My step-dad is going to a gun show in Tulsa, OK next week with his best friend, a gun shop owner and FFL.  I'm going to have him try to pick something up for me while he's out there.  I want a .22 rifle to play with on the range, and a handgun, not for carry use, but for keeping in the house, and also range shooting.  In a handgun, I'm not looking for something that will detach someone's head from their body, so I'm probably leaning toward a 9mm Glock, or equivalent.  As far as the .22 goes, ever since Pyro sold that G22 on here a while ago, I've been thinking about it.  I think I'll try to see if he can get me a good deal on one of those.  I'd only be buying one or the other at this point.

I've shot my step-dad's Glock 23, and at 15 yards, 10 ringed the whole clip.  Is it safe to assume that a 9mm Glock (maybe the 17, or another full-frame gun) will have similar results?  From all of the threads on here, it seems like the XD gets a lot of love too.  I might see which he prefers.  Any other advice on the topic?

OP, what did you end up going with?

I have a G17, G19, G26 & G34 (all 9mm) and love them all.  Only one I have ever carried is the G19.  I now carry a Ruger LCP.

For a 22 rifle, it's hard to beat the Ruger 10/22.  $200 rifle that will cost you over $1000 with all the mods available for it.


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#14 2011-03-21 14:46:04

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Re: pistol buying advice

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I bought Pyro's Walther G-22.  That is an awesome plinker stock.

My next .22 is going to be a Ruger Target Tactical. A buddy of mine has one and put a supressor on the end.  Thing is like an air rifle and stull hit clay targets at 150+ yds.


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#15 2011-03-21 15:39:10

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Re: pistol buying advice

Oodles-Of-Noodles wrote:

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I bought Pyro's Walther G-22.  That is an awesome plinker stock.

My next .22 is going to be a Ruger Target Tactical. A buddy of mine has one and put a supressor on the end.  Thing is like an air rifle and stull hit clay targets at 150+ yds.

I bought a TacSol .22 upper for my AR.  I have not shot it yet but my son says its the most fun of any of our 22s.


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#16 2011-03-21 17:01:08

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Re: pistol buying advice

Cant go wrong with a ruger 10/22.


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#17 2011-03-21 19:04:30

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Re: pistol buying advice

For work we carry the xd40 And I love shooting that gun, feels nice in your hand and shoots straight...

I'd rather carry a 9 though...smaller, rounds are cheaper, and as someone said...as long as you can shoot, a 9mm is more than enough

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#18 2011-03-21 20:07:56

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Re: pistol buying advice

I own a nice 1911, an H&K USP 45 and an XD .40 and I shoot FAR better groups with my XD than any of the others


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#19 2011-03-21 21:20:16

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Re: pistol buying advice

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If you want to shoot through someone like I intend to do.

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#20 2011-03-21 22:42:45

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Re: pistol buying advice

Nice gun, I've wanted shoot one of those.

Correct me if I'm wrong but wont that 5.7mm round penetrate less through soft tissue than a FMJ 9mm? I mean those high velocity bullets are designed to yaw and break quickly in soft tissue in order to dump all their energy within the target.


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#21 2011-03-21 22:53:18

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Re: pistol buying advice

You are actually right.  The velocity of the 27. grain round has a high potential to pierce body armor but once it enters the body, it fragments.  Nasty stuff.


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#22 2011-03-21 23:03:27

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Re: pistol buying advice

Effective stuff


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#23 2011-03-22 00:06:18

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Re: pistol buying advice

Law enforcement and class 3 level stuff I believe.


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#24 2011-03-22 20:33:28

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Re: pistol buying advice

I recently picked up a brand new Ruger LC9 - the 9mm big brother of the LCP.  LOVE it.  Great size for concealed carry (i'm 6'3" and 175lbs, so my skinny ass has a tough time hiding thicker/larger framed pistols) but still big enough to hold on to and actually aim.  Can't wait for the Crimson Trace laser guard...


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#25 2011-03-28 00:29:01

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Re: pistol buying advice

I was out in California and did not have (or at the time desire) much time for internet shenanigans.

No variant of the 5.7x28mm cartridge is effective from the standpoint of terminal ballistics.
It is a pretty unique cartridge, but should not be considered for a defensive role, period.

Further, no cartridge is particularly designed to yaw. Every elongated projectile will naturally yaw by a matter of physics.

By nature, bullets (particularly elongated/spitzer bullets) will tumble through a denser medium, such as tissue.
The center of mass of a bullet is behind the aerodynamic center. The bullet is stabilized through flight, in a medium of low resistance.
But when it encounters a medium of high resistance (such as tissue, or water, etc), it is no longer stabilized gyroscopically. The rear of the bullet will want to be out in front, with the ogive now becoming the tail.

They are not specifically designed to tumble. It's a byproduct of the shape and ballistics of a projectile.


Even when a 5.7x28mm cartridge's projectile is in full yaw, it will not cause the same permanent crush damage to soft tissue as a 9x19mm JHP bullet. By a wide margin.
It will cause only SLIGHTLY more of a permanent cavity than a 9mm FMJ at full yaw, and less on other stages of travel. 9mm FMJ should never be considered suitable for self defense.

Even further, the AP variants of 5.7x28mm ammunition are considered illegal to sell in the United States. By nature, a small caliber, high-velocity (SCHV) projectile will be more apt for penetration of soft armor, but this has nothing to do with terminal performance. There are 9mm AP variants in existence, but being pistol AP ammunition are likewise illegal to sell.

In short, a 9x19mm Parabellum or .45 ACP cartridge is far, far more ideal than a 5.7x28mm cartridge (especially out of a Five-SeveN), and are all inferior to most rifle cartridges.


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