GET THE P7! most accurate pistol you will ever own. the fixed barrel in it owns hard. i love the .40 version my dad has. plus the grip safety is a pretty cool feature

aggie113 wrote:

My DMPS AP4 308 came with specific instructions for breaking in the barrel.  It does help preserve long term accuracy in it.  I didn't do it for the heck of it.

Barrel lapping today is much more accurate and effective than older measures, and over-cleaning firearms increases wear  in some cases more than simple operation. I also tend to agree with Gale McMillan on the issue of using ~200 rds to fully "break in" a barrel so that you're 200 rounds closer to replacing the bbl. Chrome lined barrels make the "necessity" for break in even more non-existent, IMO.
The only time I might ever (keyword might) "properly" break-in a barrel would be on a stainless steel match barrel. Even then it's doubtful.

Just my opinion

How did you like the AP4 in general?

Wise choice mastering the irons before playing with optics

MetalNeverDies wrote:

GET THE P7! most accurate pistol you will ever own. the fixed barrel in it owns hard. i love the .40 version my dad has. plus the grip safety is a pretty cool feature

Really? P7? I've shot that a few times at the range and don't like it at all. The squeeze cocker is a novelty at best... interesting but not THAT great

I gave my buddy a slip on rubber "sissy pad" so that he could enjoy his Mosin-Nagant with 182gr? heavy ball all day.

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Wagn762 wrote:

I spend Saturday on a farm running probably 150rounds of everything from  7 1/2 Bird shot  to Federal LE 00 High Velocity and no red marks on my shoulder or deep bruising.

I thought that was half the fun! My Enfield Mk III* will bruise the crap out of my shoulder (it's a metal buttplate) but it's so much fun to shoot.

SMLE FTMFW!

I love the Saiga.  I think it is funny that only recently our armies have begun to use non-pump action shotguns while the soviets have had them for years.

on the 870's, and I have learned this the hard way..... buying something then doing research    though for what I paid I will not complain. the "870 Police" models do not share the same assembly line with the other Tactical & Express 870's.  I am pretty certain that the standards are a bit better and quality would be reflected.
oh and from what I have read.......No Plastic trigger groups.

The 870 Tactical uses a composite trigger group ( I was very disappointed in finding this via research ) the entire thing except for a few levers and springs is made of plastic.   Brownells = easy fix but it will bump what I paid for the gun up to what I would have paid at the cheapest retail.

So if you ever consider 870's do yourself a favor and hunt around for a Police version.

Edit to add:  I want a Benelli M4 but will not pay 2K for one with adjustable stock.

Last edited by Wagn762 (2008-10-13 20:22:04)

If you look around, you might be able to find some for cheaper than that. MGS is good people, though. $330 for refinished is a hell of a price

kap_x wrote:

SL7s are pretty sweet, and somewhat goofy but in an awesome way. HK91 is a bit more my style, though. I debated buying a PTR-91 for quite some time, but the price of .308 is overwhelming.

The SL7 is perhaps the nicest-to-shoot rifle I've ever put to my shoulder.  It's got a steel butt-cap, but I've put 100 rds. through it in one sitting wearing a t-shirt and had no bruising at all.  THe gas-delayed roller-locked bolt mechanism really softens the recoil.  I considered the 91 when I bought this, and sorely wanted one.  The deal I got on this was too good to pass up though.   The shop had it for a while and it wasn't moving, so the owner made me an offer I couldn't refuse.  The polygonal rifling that the 91 lacked and the longer sight radius than the 91 both made it more accurate.

The 91 is one of the firearms I'm kicking myself for not buying when they were legal here.  I also wanted a reasonable quality AK, and really liked the Steyr AUG.  There are a few more, but those are ones I regret not buying "back in the day."

kap_x wrote:

Out of curiosity, how difficult is disassembly with the SL7?
I'm not sure if you're familiar with disassembly of other HK rifles, but if you are is it at all similar?

It's not difficult, but it's not a "field-strip" kind of weapon.  I don't know the 91 disassembly, but I expect that it is possible to field-strip it pretty far down.  I last had one in my hands over 20 years ago.

The top of the receiver is held in place by a single allen-head bolt.  It comes off to the rear, then the bolt can be removed.  I think the bolt is the same as the 91.  If you separate the two halves of the bolt, it's important to get the alignment of the rotating portion right, but it's not hard.  It's just a longer process than a military-style design would permit.

I haven't done it since I shot on Saturday.  I just did a quick cleaning.  I intend to give it the full works in the next couple of days.  I'll try to remember to get some pictures.

Nothing yet. I was seriously considering a P7PSP because I found some for an amazing price, but I don't want to have to retrain myself for a old European style mag-release.
Also, Comp-tac doesn't offer MTAC Minotaur bodies to fit the SP-01, which really sucks. I'll probably call them next week and see if I can get one special-ordered/molded for me.

Right now the MC Operator is in the lead, but I'm still undecided


KX3s kick ass. How is it on the 16"?
I'd love to have a 5.56 AR with 10.5" BBL and a KX3 with FDE accents.

Great fread.

I'm finally legal here in Illinois, I received my FOID card on Fiday.  So I took a class with a certified NRA instructor today and it was 1 on 1, 4.5 hours long and we go to the range on Tuesday. 
I'll be picking up a Glock G32 or Sig P226. 

I'm leaning towards the Glock because it's almost $400 less than the Sig.  However, there is a used Sig for $700. that I might get.  I will be shooting the shit out of both and will make my decision Tuesday.