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#1 2008-07-28 12:39:29

evengrift
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Help picking out a new handgun

As some of you may have seen in my other thread, I'm going to be re-arming myself.

This past weekend, after 5 years not shooting, I went to a range with a friend and his Ruger P345.

I went 5/5 in the black with 1 in the 7, a double in the 8, and a double in the 9.  That was my best of 5 targets, out of 25 rounds ~20 were in the black all on the paper.  All at 15 yards.  There's probably someone on here he could do better, but for my first time back in awhile I was pretty happy.

I was very, very, impressed with the Ruger. It was clearly very precise. And honestly if his laser hadn't been miss-aligned and throwing me off I think I could have shot better, i did better once I turned it off.  I've never shot with a laser before, and I don't think I care for it personally.

In the past, friends I went to the range with were cops, and they were all HK and Glock people, in part I think because $$ don't matter since they don't pay the firearms tax and its what they were issued. They'd poo-poo'd Rugers in the past, so I went in with my doubts.

Now looking at Ruger's offerings, I think I'm back to an HK, and while spending $1K seems high I really like the USP Expert, in .45 ACP.

Since I know there are other knowledgeable people on this board I thought I'd ask for your thoughts?

I'm a big guy with big hands, the P345 was getting uncomfortable by the end because of the narrow grip, so I'd definitely like something larger. And a larger frame I would be steadier with, and a longer barrel more accurate, etc..


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#2 2008-07-28 13:42:08

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Re: Help picking out a new handgun


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#3 2008-07-28 13:46:54

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Re: Help picking out a new handgun

Ehh, I think I'd like to spend < $100 when I go to the range..

I'll probably get one, just to have down the road, and a 1911 as well.  But I want something I can have fun with at the range, and leave on the night stand knowing it'll get the job done.


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#4 2008-07-28 13:58:47

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Re: Help picking out a new handgun

I'm semi-knowledgeable; kap_x is a gun expert and will be chiming in shortly.

I highly recommend that you try the Springfield XD; the .45 is slick, especially the Tactical version that has a longer barrel. Or, check our the new Springfield XDM which adds a bunch of nice new features.

If you want something more classic, try the Smith & Wesson SW1911. I have one and love it; compared to similarly priced 1911's it was seemed more featureful and has been a great buy

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#5 2008-07-28 14:29:37

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Re: Help picking out a new handgun

iota wrote:

I'm semi-knowledgeable; kap_x is a gun expert and will be chiming in shortly.

I highly recommend that you try the Springfield XD; the .45 is slick, especially the Tactical version that has a longer barrel. Or, check our the new Springfield XDM which adds a bunch of nice new features.

If you want something more classic, try the Smith & Wesson SW1911. I have one and love it; compared to similarly priced 1911's it was seemed more featureful and has been a great buy

Thanks, I'll definitely put the XD Tactical on my list to check out.  I have to put my hands on anything I'm going to buy anyway..

The XDM  down imho..
http://www.wheatlandferry.com/shooting/pic-xdm02.jpg

I'd like to only buy one 1911 (more then 3 guns and the wife is going to make noise..). And for that I'll probably build-up a Stringfellow-Hawke-Airwolf replica, because I'm just that big a dork, and I liked the way it looked..


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#6 2008-07-28 15:08:29

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Re: Help picking out a new handgun

I shot an XD the other day at the range.  I was very impressed.  I also really like my new Kimber Custom II .45.
You can't go wrong with a Glock though.  The prices have really come down in the past few months and the fatter grip would probably fit your hand well.  The new Ruger SR9 is worth a look too.  It has a 17 + 1 capacity and has received great reviews. I would also suggest checking out a 'Baby Eagle' made by IMI (Magnum research).  I had one in .40 S & W and loved it.


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#7 2008-07-28 15:10:38

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Re: Help picking out a new handgun

http://aycu36.webshots.com/image/48515/2000080521276292831_rs.jpg


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#8 2008-07-28 15:17:01

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Re: Help picking out a new handgun

The XD is the shit, but IMO it will be too small. I don't have huge hands being I'm a smaller guy, but it fit my hands perfectly, and I can imagine it being too small for a larger person.

If you do like it, go with the 5" barrel though for accuracy.


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#9 2008-07-28 15:40:06

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Re: Help picking out a new handgun

On a scale of 1 - 10 I know dick about guns except for whatever knowledge I've picked up thru realism-biased FPS games (not much of use).

I was looking at this thread tho and thought I remembered seeing a picture of a Sig Sauer some time ago. It looked like it had a nice fat grip and as far as rep goes it seems to have a good one.


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#10 2008-07-28 15:47:23

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Re: Help picking out a new handgun

ska 92x wrote:

On a scale of 1 - 10 I know dick about guns

Why did you start that off with "On a scale of 1 - 10" if you didn't follow it up with a number?    confused

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#11 2008-07-28 15:55:37

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Re: Help picking out a new handgun

I like the .45 ACP, and would like to standardize on it.. I've looked at the Kimber's, especially since Tacoma PD just switched (never thought a department would switch to a 1911 these days).

Any thoughts on the HK Expert?  Other then $$$

I suppose I could consider a G21, but it seems like less of what I want for my primary.


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#12 2008-07-28 16:06:31

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Re: Help picking out a new handgun

That is understandable.  The Glock's don't really do it for me either.  It's important that you save up and get what you want.  It is definitely worth it.


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#13 2008-07-28 16:21:47

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Re: Help picking out a new handgun


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#14 2008-07-28 16:27:45

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Re: Help picking out a new handgun

You're a bad influence..  Its a good thing I can't... yet...

I considered the sig, (also liked by my old friends). But I'd like a longer barrel..

Maybe I should get past my desire for .45 ACP, I know its old-time-y, less muzzle-energy, etc..  But it feels right..


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#15 2008-07-28 16:46:17

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Re: Help picking out a new handgun

I've been thinking about getting this one.  I really liked the feel of my old eagle.

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewIt … =105806137


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#16 2008-07-28 16:50:59

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Re: Help picking out a new handgun

If you have big hands and can fit a double stack 1911 frame comfortably ( I can just not comfortable with it)
  Look into Para-Ordnance, 
http://www.paraord.com/product/product.html?id=104 Big Hawg  5in 14+1 .45ACP
http://www.paraord.com/product/gunrightspistols.html  Gun Rights (NRA donation) in single or double stack
I have a single stack 4.25 "Commander sized" Steel framed LTC.  +8000rds through it and its fine.
Any of the above mentioned 1911 makers ( Kimber, S&W, Para, ect) should make a good reliable firearm so it's mostly personal choice and what you want.

I too would recommend the XD to anyone wanting a "plastic gun" except in your case.  Get the H&K Tactical  up


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#17 2008-07-28 17:03:39

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Re: Help picking out a new handgun

Wagn762 wrote:

I too would recommend the XD to anyone wanting a "plastic gun" except in your case.  Get the H&K Tactical  up

Why the tactical over the expert?

I could see having the PXT P14•45, but not as my primary..  And "Big Hawg" on the slide is just a little too much for me..


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#18 2008-07-28 17:05:55

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Re: Help picking out a new handgun

Azrael wrote:

ska 92x wrote:

On a scale of 1 - 10 I know dick about guns

Why did you start that off with "On a scale of 1 - 10" if you didn't follow it up with a number?    confused

A dick is shaped like a one, I guess.


I'll chime in after work (I'm on lunch), but until then:

What is the intended purpose of this pistol (Range toy, home-defense, carry, competition, etc)?
Are you planning on doing anything to the pistol (light, suppression, caliber conversion, etc)?
What is your price range?
Any particular features you want on the pistol (Action preference, handedness, safeties, multiple grip configurations, etc.)
It seems you're pretty set on .45ACP.

By the way, excellent move on wanting to handle one before buying.

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#19 2008-07-28 17:17:35

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Re: Help picking out a new handgun

kap_x wrote:

What is the intended purpose of this pistol (Range toy, home-defense, carry, competition, etc)?
Are you planning on doing anything to the pistol (light, suppression, caliber conversion, etc)?
What is your price range?
Any particular features you want on the pistol (Action preference, handedness, etc.)
It seems you're pretty set on .45ACP.

By the way, excellent move on wanting to handle one before buying.

Thanks...

Given I live in Mass, carry is unlikely. Home defense and range primarily, competition is remotely possible but I don't know that I'd ever get to that level with a handgun, was there once upon a time with a rifle.

Right around $1K is my limit, the USP Expert was/is pushing it, but I could see doing it.

Feature-wise and mod-wise I'm flexible, meaning I'd rather have a gun that feels right and is accurate, then feature laden. I did like the loaded chamber indicator on the P345.

I don't know that I'm set on .45ACP, it's what I know?  There's a certain comfort in spending $$$ on a weapon that caliber?

LEOs seem to have proven .40 S&W so I could see going there.


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#20 2008-07-28 17:22:19

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Re: Help picking out a new handgun

evengrift wrote:

Why the tactical over the expert?

(MY) Personal choice of the two. 
Tactical looks like the Mark 23  up and there is the ability to Suppress  ( though I do not know your state laws )


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#21 2008-07-28 17:26:00

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MA does not allow suppression. Only Machine guns (with permit), short-barreled rifles, and large-bore Destructive Devices


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#22 2008-07-28 17:45:08

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Re: Help picking out a new handgun

arrow-up was just reading up on that.

If the gun you are looking for is to be used for nightstand defense, I would nix the Para's from the list as the ones I recommended do not have light rails.  They do have their Nite-Tach series but the hi-cap's are only available with their Light Double Action (LDA) trigger.  I have been told this is one of the best non single action triggers out there but have no personal experience.


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#23 2008-07-28 18:16:46

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Re: Help picking out a new handgun

Doesn't MA have a law about high-capacity mags?  My Glock 32 has a 13-round mag, and I don't believe the mag is legal there/here (I move a lot, and get confused...)  Have you considered the 357 Sig?  Lotsa power. big_smile


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#24 2008-07-28 18:20:56

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Re: Help picking out a new handgun

I haven't shot the USP Expert, but have the USP Elite in 45 ACP.  It shoots beautifully and is an extremely high quality piece of equipment.  I don't like the M1911 particularly, but the 45 ACP is a solid cartridge:  big slug, not too high a pressure.  A smaller slug at higher velocity might be better for longer range, but it's a pistol, not a carbine or rifle. 

If the HK felt "right" in your hand, I'm sure you won't be disappointed.  The Expert has adjustable sights and the match trigger the Elite does;  both nice features.  I'm not sure about the variants available for the Expert, but some complain about the LEM (Law Enforcement Modification) trigger and prefer the SA/DA version.  I haven't fired one with LEM, but really doubt I'd prefer it.

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#25 2008-07-28 18:32:09

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Re: Help picking out a new handgun

My wish list
DOUBLE BARREL WINCHESTER RIFLE.


Probaby Rossi 357 rifle
and 357 hand for the wife

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