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#1201 2015-06-18 13:08:16

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Re: Last pair of shoes you bought?

Skorpion25i wrote:

dick

biggrin sorry. my inner 12 year old.

Skorpion25i wrote:

Only downside I've found so far is the sole is cut wide so bigger rocks wedge in there easily. But they're also really easy to get out so I got over it.

I have a pair of Nike running shoes with the same problem. Bugs me since I typically go running on trails near my house. Rocks galore up in the bottom of those shoes.


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#1202 2015-06-18 13:34:38

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Re: Last pair of shoes you bought?

john_matrix wrote:

Bryan wrote:

What do you guys think about Salewa?

http://www.salewa.us/en/

They look like all the other high quality mountaineering type footwear. Looks nice. I can't afford 'em though.  biggrin

I think the Speed Ascents actually seem reasonable in these days of throw-away $150 Nikes.  Comes with a Vibram sole and a bunch of crap they made up, but I bet they still outlast any pair of Nikes.

Or do we compare all marks to Sketchers these days?  biggrin


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#1203 2015-06-18 14:29:53

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Re: Last pair of shoes you bought?

john_matrix wrote:

Bryan wrote:

What do you guys think about Salewa?

http://www.salewa.us/en/

They look like all the other high quality mountaineering type footwear. Looks nice. I can't afford 'em though.  biggrin

LOL.  I'm having the second interview today.


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#1204 2015-06-18 15:00:31

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Re: Last pair of shoes you bought?

Good luck!

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#1205 2015-08-18 11:26:11

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Re: Last pair of shoes you bought?

Got an REI gift card thru work and got these for $6, did I do good Bryan!?

http://www.rei.com/media/ee/a7357de9-5c18-44c5-9ed4-f537786f09e4.jpg


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#1206 2017-11-07 16:19:00

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Re: Last pair of shoes you bought?

https://www.shoes.com/pi/johns/jb/johns756929_286613_jb.jpg

Bump inspired by the buy it for life thread started.  Upgraded the brown dress shoes to Johnson &Murphy Melton Wingtip to something of quality that is worth getting re-soled when they wear out.

So. God. Damned. Comfortable.


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#1207 2017-11-09 23:35:00

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Re: Last pair of shoes you bought?

A good shoe that is made well and fits properly will be insanely comfortable.  Quality costs money - and we're obsessed with cheap shoes in the US.  I know...I sold a fuck ton of cheap shoes for a little while.

Funny that this thread popped up.  Been working for Salewa since after that second interview...

And I just got a pair of these (yes, it's a tech tutorial for a fucking shoe...)



They're stupid comfortable, tons of cushion and the support is excellent, but I do wish the toe box wasn't so roomy, I prefer a closer fit.  Had them on in the Shawnee National Forest last weekend, and they were fantastic on the clay-mud and soft ground, didn't slip on rock either.


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#1208 2017-11-10 01:45:19

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Re: Last pair of shoes you bought?

That's really more of a product demonstration than a tutorial.  I still don't know how to tie a shoe.

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#1209 2017-11-10 08:36:56

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Re: Last pair of shoes you bought?

Bryan, As an industry insider, whats your opinion on Keen?


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#1210 2017-11-10 09:26:49

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Re: Last pair of shoes you bought?

Also from the 'buy it for lie' thread, these are my latest kicks:

https://slimages.macysassets.com/is/image/MCY/products/6/optimized/3288276_fpx.tif

Clark's Toureg Vibe


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#1211 2017-11-13 13:46:46

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Re: Last pair of shoes you bought?

Azrael wrote:

That's really more of a product demonstration than a tutorial.  I still don't know how to tie a shoe.

The same way everyone else does, one leg at a time.


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#1212 2017-11-13 13:58:38

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Re: Last pair of shoes you bought?

Pyromancy5 wrote:

Bryan, As an industry insider, whats your opinion on Keen?

Hrm.  What aspect?  They have the market pretty much dialed in on the "shandal", paddlesports, boating shoe.  They've taken that same last - the mold a shoe is built around - and made a respectable set of casuals and lightweight trekking/walking shoes.  I like what they're doing with the weave-on-site Uneek shoes, as fuck-ugly as they are...

BUT.  With those positives come a whole shitload of problems because people are fucking stupid.  They are known for having a lot of space in the toe box, all their shoes fit similarly (because they're using the same goddamn last for the entire product line - an action that should keep costs down significantly, but alas, Keens are the same $ as comparable models...), so now there are a bunch of yokels waddling around demanding wides, or rejecting a better fitting, better built, longer lasting piece of footwear because it "looks narrow".  They don't build robust footwear - so any load carrying for any notable distance, the footwear doesn't provide adequate support.  A shoe that lets a foot splay out in all directions, is exacerbating arch, ankle, and knee problems.  I've had customers come in when I work a shop floor, and complain about sore feet.  "But I got these Keens, they're supposed to be good and they're comfortable", and when I measure them out on a Brannock, their arch length increases +2 sizes when they stand...

On the plus side, you can tell someone's perspective on appropriate attire for occasions, fashion sense - and in many small Midwestern towns, a woman's sexual preference - based on whether they are wearing Keens.


TL;DR: Comfortable /= supportive, a "light hiker" is a light shoe first and a hiking shoe second, they're ugly as fuck all, but they do a good job if you ain't carrying shit, or in/out of a boat.


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#1213 2017-11-13 15:18:13

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Re: Last pair of shoes you bought?

Bryan wrote:

Pyromancy5 wrote:

Bryan, As an industry insider, whats your opinion on Keen?

Hrm.  What aspect?  They have the market pretty much dialed in on the "shandal", paddlesports, boating shoe.  They've taken that same last - the mold a shoe is built around - and made a respectable set of casuals and lightweight trekking/walking shoes.  I like what they're doing with the weave-on-site Uneek shoes, as fuck-ugly as they are...

BUT.  With those positives come a whole shitload of problems because people are fucking stupid.  They are known for having a lot of space in the toe box, all their shoes fit similarly (because they're using the same goddamn last for the entire product line - an action that should keep costs down significantly, but alas, Keens are the same $ as comparable models...), so now there are a bunch of yokels waddling around demanding wides, or rejecting a better fitting, better built, longer lasting piece of footwear because it "looks narrow".  They don't build robust footwear - so any load carrying for any notable distance, the footwear doesn't provide adequate support.  A shoe that lets a foot splay out in all directions, is exacerbating arch, ankle, and knee problems.  I've had customers come in when I work a shop floor, and complain about sore feet.  "But I got these Keens, they're supposed to be good and they're comfortable", and when I measure them out on a Brannock, their arch length increases +2 sizes when they stand...

On the plus side, you can tell someone's perspective on appropriate attire for occasions, fashion sense - and in many small Midwestern towns, a woman's sexual preference - based on whether they are wearing Keens.


TL;DR: Comfortable /= supportive, a "light hiker" is a light shoe first and a hiking shoe second, they're ugly as fuck all, but they do a good job if you ain't carrying shit, or in/out of a boat.

Thanks!  Kinda what I figured.  I wish they had a mid/ high hiker with a little more ankle support. I have a Targagee 2 or 3 as my main hiker now and it's fine for 2-3 day trips with < 35lbs packed.  As a small and wide hobbit like foot (US 8 3E), I really do need a wide-ass shoe to fit, and Keen does that.  When I have dress-up days at work, I wear respectable dress shoes.  1-2 times a week I have to juggle work with hazardous chemicals, or work in shop areas and business meetings, so I'm on my 3rd pair of Keen Austin's in 4 years. IMO, not a bad looking shoe and is robust while wearable with chinos or even slacks if needed.

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcSUSFxUviP10W61w5ElGNkq5ScYiux4_ZYtzRjHZbnNhyzaR0B5JZTbS_9RJWHkMN1-53ZeaE8&amp;usqp=CAY


Sneakers are pretty much all New Balance, because they offer wide widths.  If there are any other hiking boot or dress shoe companies that offer wide widths, LMK.

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#1214 2017-11-13 18:28:30

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Re: Last pair of shoes you bought?

I literally have a pair of those under my desk right now.  When I ride my bike to work I change into them here.  No qualms and I've had them since like 2010.

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#1215 2017-11-15 16:52:37

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Re: Last pair of shoes you bought?

Right - they build a good shoe.  Looks are subjective, of course...but for serious use, there are better options.

RE: pyro's wide issue.  When's the last time you got measured/sized on a Brannock?  There are a couple reasons why companies do and don't make wide widths - one of those is that actual wide feet, feet that really measure past E, are not very common.  Like less than 5%...by and large, the people I worked with who came in saying they needed a certain width, once measuring them, learned they've been buying the wrong size shoes and aren't really a double or triple E.  I'm skeptical because experience, nothing personal.

The other reason is that shoes are developed off of lasts.  A last is a 3-d mold created to copy the shape of a socked foot - and they are normally very proprietary, unique by model, there's a last for each size available within a model, and each individual last can cost close to $40k.  So a style of shoe in one brand that ranges from USM 7 to USM 15 would require 14 lasts at roughly $560,000, not including material costs, development (which gets amortized over a brand if its a midsole material like Gumflate or a standardized EVA/PU), patterns for the upper fabrics, QCA, marketing (product images), and sampling...you're looking at about a million bucks per style just to create an availability for market - before an actual consumer product is released for retail purchase.  When you start making and developing widths, you're doubling/tripling a cost depending on what kinds of widths you offer, and without the volume of sales (remember, less than 5%) to maintain even an operational margin on a style, it just isn't done unless that company has a shortcut by recycling lasts into "new" styles, using the same lasts across a product line, or another solution that eliminates differences in your brand's offering.  On one hand...if people fit into it, great, you have a repeat customer, but if they don't...they'll never look at your product again.  It's a big gamble to take when you don't know how the market will react to all that R&D.  Keen gambled.  New Balance was onto that game early on, though...but look at who the market leaders are.  NB is in the midpack.

Short of it is that there aren't a lot of brands that play in the "wide" market because there isn't much of one, and it's expensive as hell.  Most are successful by offering a range of fits and styles to capture the bulk of the marketplace, and there are a few ways that an experienced boot/shoe fitter (like myself and other Phil Oren graduates/trainers) can modify a shoe to fit that unusual "real" wide foot.

Folks that DO make wides: Merrell (and a couple other Wolverine brands), Vasque/Redwing, NB, and Lowa all come to mind.  But if you haven't been...get measured and fitted.  Even if you're really wide, you'll get much better service anyway.


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